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Old Yesterday, 07:41 PM
 
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Hahahaha...

It can be undone by the executive branch AND by Congress.

Civics. Itís whats for dinner.

Contracts. It's what you breathe. When contracts are breached, damages are due.
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Old Yesterday, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Contracts. It's what you breathe. When contracts are breached, damages are due.
Ever read government contracts? I have. Itís part of my job. They can be yanked all the time.
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Old Yesterday, 10:55 PM
 
Location: AZ
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In the original article, the Pentagon says $3.6 billion will pay for 175 miles.

Where do your "trillions" come from?
That’s not what they stated in court to a federal judge.

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection has put up just 1.7 miles of fencing with the $1.57 billion that Congress appropriated last year for President Donald Trump’s wall along the Mexican border, a federal judge was told.
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"The administration recently provided updated information to Congress on the status of its efforts as of April 30, 2019," the attorney, Douglas Letter, said in a court filing. "Based on that updated information, it appears that CBP has now constructed 1.7 miles of fencing with its fiscal year 2018 funding."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...miles-of-fence


Our southern border is 2,000 miles. Do the math.
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Old Today, 07:34 AM
 
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Thatís not what they stated in court to a federal judge.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...miles-of-fence


Our southern border is 2,000 miles. Do the math.

It doesn't say they spent all the funding on the 1.7 miles just that the 1.7 miles came from that funding. Also there is a significant lag between awarding a contract and completion of a contract.
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Old Today, 08:00 AM
 
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Ever read government contracts? I have. Itís part of my job. They can be yanked all the time.

Because that is how they are written. Trump could have them written without the cancellation clauses.
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Old Today, 08:29 AM
 
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For the umpteenth time there is no plan to build a wall on our entire 2,000 mile long border. The plan is to fix the inferior fencing erected during the Obama administration (700 miles) and build an additional 300 miles of good physical barriers on the most porous areas of our southern border. That's only half of the border. The rest in nearly impassable terrain.
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Old Today, 08:31 AM
 
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For the umpteenth time there is no plan to build a wall on our entire 2,000 mile long border. The plan is to fix the inferior fencing erected during the Obama administration (700 miles) and build an additional 300 miles of good physical barriers on the most porous areas of our southern border. That's only half of the border. The rest in nearly impassable terrain.
...funded by monies that were supposed to be used to construct and repair critical military infrastructure rather than paid for by Mexico in a "one-time $5-10 billion payment" as Trump promised. Don't forget that part.
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Old Today, 08:36 AM
 
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...funded by monies that were supposed to be used to construct and repair critical military infrastructure rather than paid for by Mexico in a "one-time $5-10 billion payment" as Trump promised. Don't forget that part.
That's open borders democrats fault for not properly funding the critically need wall. If democrats didn't push so many other various open borders policies, we might not even need the wall and the illegals would go home because there'd be nothing here for them. Who cares how the wall gets funded just as long as it gets done.
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Old Today, 09:11 AM
 
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That's open borders democrats fault for not properly funding the critically need wall. If democrats didn't push so many other various open borders policies, we might not even need the wall and the illegals would go home because there'd be nothing here for them. Who cares how the wall gets funded just as long as it gets done.
I care, because it is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Perhaps its time you realize its because the GOP are playing their base for fools with a few miles of wall while the overwhelming majority of incoming immigrants will not be affected by a wall, unless the wall stops airplanes.

As another poster here aptly put it, Republicans complain about the mice, but won't remove the cheese.
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Old Today, 09:26 AM
 
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Democrats are moving on two fronts to block President Donald Trump from using special emergency powers to transfer money from military base construction projects like new schools to pay for new fences along the U.S.-Mexico border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ver/ar-AAH5ij9

Traitorous Democrats are at it again.
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To me, anyone who would willingly undermine the constitution is the traitor.

Simple put: the president (any president) only has emergency powers because they were delegated to that office by the congress. Abusing those powers to thwart the congress's sole responsibility to allocate funds is one sure way of getting those powers pulled from the presidency, and looks to me like an impeachable offence as well.

If you can not see this, you need to go back to high school, you failed civics.
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Since when is it undermining the Constitution when the funds were awarded to him by the Pentagon? You're the one who's putting your own spin on it and one more personal attack and you'll be reported.
Go ahead, report me. You are the one making outrageous claims.

Once again you need a civics lesson (as any one can see). The Pentagon can not 'award' those funds. The funds literally do not belong to the Pentagon, they belong to the American people.

The Pentagon is a creature of the congress, not the other way around. Only the House of Representatives can raise funds and spend them. That is in the constitution.

The Pentagon requests funds for specific purposes, not from the president, but from the congress. The congress analyses the requests, and determines the worthiness of the projects. They raise the funds and allocate the funds to the specific government agency which will be tasked with the project.

In other words, the government agency (any agency) is delegated to it's task. Sometimes the congress needs to create an agency for the purpose (The US Post Office Department was created by Congress in 1792, the Bureau of Internal Revenue was created by Congress in 1862, the Department of Justice was created by Congress in 1870). The Congress, and only the Congress, raises the funds and delegates the tasks to various departments and agencies it sets up for the purpose.

For that reason the Congress has oversight over how the money is spent. That is not only the law, it is the very basis of how our government works.

To emphasize: those funds are not the Pentagon's to give willy-nilly to anything they want. They must be spent in the way they are directed by the congress.

This is in the constitution. It is like this for a reason.

Remember the old clarion call: "no taxation without representation." This country was lead to independence by the Continental Congress, which hired George Washington to lead it's army and raised the funds to support it.

The House of Representatives is the direct descendant of the Continental Congress, and it is described in Article One of the Constitution. It is the representative body which has the exclusive right to raise funds and spend them. The Executive Branch does not have that right, it does what it is delegated to do, it manages the tasks given it by the Congress.

Even the emergency powers a president is allowed to exercise are delegated to the president by the congress, and can be changed by the congress. If the president abuses these powers he can be called to account for it, even up to impeachment, which BTW also originates in the House of Representatives.
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