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Old Today, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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What part of "guaranteed" do you not understand?
Treaties with the Native American tribes were "guaranteed", too, "...as long as the mountains stand and the waters run."

Ask them how that turned out and get back to us, would you...?
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Old Today, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Contracts. It's what you breathe. When contracts are breached, damages are due.
That's why Trump has five million dollars in mechanics liens against his new hotel in D.C.
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Old Today, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Go ahead, report me. You are the one making outrageous claims.

Once again you need a civics lesson (as any one can see). The Pentagon can not 'award' those funds. The funds literally do not belong to the Pentagon, they belong to the American people.

The Pentagon is a creature of the congress, not the other way around. Only the House of Representatives can raise funds and spend them. That is in the constitution.

The Pentagon requests funds for specific purposes, not from the president, but from the congress. The congress analyses the requests, and determines the worthiness of the projects. They raise the funds and allocate the funds to the specific government agency which will be tasked with the project.

In other words, the government agency (any agency) is delegated to it's task. Sometimes the congress needs to create an agency for the purpose (The US Post Office Department was created by Congress in 1792, the Bureau of Internal Revenue was created by Congress in 1862, the Department of Justice was created by Congress in 1870). The Congress, and only the Congress, raises the funds and delegates the tasks to various departments and agencies it sets up for the purpose.

For that reason the Congress has oversight over how the money is spent. That is not only the law, it is the very basis of how our government works.

To emphasize: those funds are not the Pentagon's to give willy-nilly to anything they want. They must be spent in the way they are directed by the congress.

This is in the constitution. It is like this for a reason.

Remember the old clarion call: "no taxation without representation." This country was lead to independence by the Continental Congress, which hired George Washington to lead it's army and raised the funds to support it.

The House of Representatives is the direct descendant of the Continental Congress, and it is described in Article One of the Constitution. It is the representative body which has the exclusive right to raise funds and spend them. The Executive Branch does not have that right, it does what it is delegated to do, it manages the tasks given it by the Congress.

Even the emergency powers a president is allowed to exercise are delegated to the president by the congress, and can be changed by the congress. If the president abuses these powers he can be called to account for it, even up to impeachment, which BTW also originates in the House of Representatives.
He already blocked me. What a snowflake.
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Old Today, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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The ones cheering the hardest now are going to be the ones squealing like stuck pigs when the next Democratic president follows precedents set by Trump. Just watch.

You've already forgotten the pampered, perfumed, petulant, prince pen-and-phone ?
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Old Today, 10:35 AM
 
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Democrats should just let him have it, then produce a fake emergency next time around and watch republicans cry.
"then produce a fake emergency" Explain why obama and the dems in Congress VOTED for and APPROVED the spending for a "fake emergency" when THEY did so to build border protection.
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Old Today, 10:36 AM
 
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Whatís the point, thereís no way can he build a 2,000 miles wall in 4 years. Itís mathematically impossible. Give it up ��
" thereís no way can he build a 2,000 miles wall in 4 years." He never said he would and it is NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
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Old Today, 10:38 AM
 
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Still waiting on Mexico to cough up the funds...
How much EXTRA have we collected for tariffs by Mexico?
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Old Today, 10:40 AM
 
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To me, anyone who would willingly undermine the constitution is the traitor.

Simple put: the president (any president) only has emergency powers because they were delegated to that office by the congress. Abusing those powers to thwart the congress's sole responsibility to allocate funds is one sure way of getting those powers pulled from the presidency, and looks to me like an impeachable offence as well.

If you can not see this, you need to go back to high school, you failed civics.
"Abusing those powers to thwart the congress's....." Wasn't this fought in court and Trump WON?
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Old Today, 10:45 AM
 
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Not according to his campaign website, which said Mexico would make a “$5-10 billion one time payment.”

Revisionist history doesn’t work when you can just google “wayback machine” in less than 3 seconds.
"Not according to his campaign website," Do you believe everything said campaigns? "My helicopter was shot at

What about AFTER they are elected, "You can KEEP your DR", "You can KEEP your insurance"

I'm STILL waiting for my $2,500 "savings" every year, "it was the video",etc.


But NOW you are concerned!
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Old Today, 10:51 AM
 
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How much EXTRA have we collected for tariffs by Mexico?
Umm, Tariffs are paid by the consumer not the exporting country, and I guess 0 is the answer, Trump threaten Mexico with a 5% tariff but he didnt do it.
i am guessing you knew that but maybe you are quick enough after all.
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