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Old Yesterday, 07:15 PM
 
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This would seem to be a step back toward a caste system. When the US was first established only white men with land could vote under the theory that they were the ones with both skin in the game and the intelligence to vote. That was a bad theory then and it's a bad theory now. One of the core elements of the legitimacy of our system is that every citizen over a certain age gets a vote (with a few exceptions like incarcerted individuals). Everyone who lives under the laws gets a say in those laws. I recognize this is aspirational and the system is far from perfect with gerrymandering and other issues. However, the fact that it isn't perfect shouldn't be a reason to introduce more imperfection in the system. I bristle at the idea of someone or someones deciding who is "worthy."
Isn't voting for a candidate a determiner of who is "worthy"?
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Old Yesterday, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Isn't voting for a candidate a determiner of who is "worthy"?
My post was asserting that there should not be a person or subset of people who can determine who is worthy of being able to vote. Of course voting is the process by which each indivisual indicates who s/he believes would be the best person to hold a particular office. They aren't comparable.
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Old Yesterday, 07:38 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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A test?

Whom is it that gets to write the questions?

Which candidate gets the hardball questions?

Who approves the answers, or has access to them before the test is administered? Donna Brasile, perhaps?

It all sounds like a convoluted, more corruptible method of holding a "debate"

Edit to add.......Why wouldn't we just make the person writing the questions, and has all the answers the ruler of your "epistocracy"? And how do we determine who writes the questions? an election, a competition of some sort? It's all just adding more layers to the existing circle jerk we already have.


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Old Yesterday, 07:50 PM
 
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Plato, one of the earliest to see democracy as a problem, saw its typical citizen as shiftless and flighty... A more practical suggestion came from J. S. Mill, in the nineteenth century: give extra votes to citizens with university degrees or intellectually demanding jobs.... Jamming the stub of the Greek word for “knowledge” into the Greek word for “rule,” Estlund coined the word “epistocracy,” meaning “government by the knowledgeable.”
That would be the end of 'Murika as we know it!
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Old Yesterday, 09:53 PM
 
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Exactly. As I am fond of pointing out, we have had exactly one PhD president in our history--Woodrow Wilson. Wilson:
And don’t forget it was Woodrow Wilson who allowed the creation of the Federal Reserve in exchange for banker's support for his pet project, the Utopian nonsense called the League of Nations.
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Old Yesterday, 10:03 PM
 
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Exactly. As I am fond of pointing out, we have had exactly one PhD president in our history--Woodrow Wilson. Wilson:

was a progressive who fervently believed in the claptrap of eugenics, which was all the rage in academia at the time.

•began the practice of America as world police by getting us involved in WWI.

•started the war on drugs in 1914 with the Harrison act. Until then opium, coca, and marijuana had been legal and commonly sold in pharmacies

•started the income tax and sold it to Americans on the basis of low, low rates. The top rate was 7% in 1913 for those making over $500,000/yr ($12.8 million in 2019 dollars).

•Formed the precursor of the FBI and set in motion the hordes of federal law enforcement that we have today. By the time of his successor, Harding, the FBI was already up to their eyeballs in political hijinks. They broke into the homes of 2 Dem senators in connection with 'teapot dome' in an effort to gather dirt on the two.

•re-segregated the federal work force, which had been de-segregated by Republicans following the Civil War.

•threw people in jail for printing anti-war pamphlets he found objectionable (the Schlenk case).

We had one other PhD presidential candidate I know of--George McGovern in 1972, who had a PhD in history. He lost 49 states to the rather unpopular Richard Nixon.

Later in life, McGovern ran a small business, a bed and breakfast inn. He wrote a piece in (IIRC) in the WSJ about it, and admitted that he had been all wrong about the need for increased regulation on business during his political career.
That's a good list of crummy things that a highly educated Democrat progressive Wilson did, but the eugenics in academia wasn't clap trap, what it was replaced with egalitarianism was. It's just a question of how could ethically eugenics instead of dysgenics be promoted.

I'd put Woodrow Wilson as probably the 2nd worst President we had, behind LBJ another progressive Democrat.
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Old Yesterday, 10:07 PM
 
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That would be the end of 'Murika as we know it!
I'd rather give Joe the plumber 2 votes and academics 1/2 vote. It'd be a better and wiser outcome.
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Old Yesterday, 10:56 PM
 
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I'd rather give Joe the plumber 2 votes and academics 1/2 vote. It'd be a better and wiser outcome.
Well, that does succinctly encapsulate our political differences, does it not? Who need abortion, guns or flag-burning, when we have a fine litmus-test?
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Old Yesterday, 11:08 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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Many highly educated very book smart politicians have done some incredibly stupid things.
There are also people who never finished high school, yet are ethical and intellectually honest.

Never confuse education with wisdom. They are two entirely different things.
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Old Today, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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And don’t forget it was Woodrow Wilson who allowed the creation of the Federal Reserve in exchange for banker's support for his pet project, the Utopian nonsense called the League of Nations.

Agree totally. OP needs a proper history lesson on America, and how things turned out the way they did. What they teach in school these days is not even half the story.
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