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Old Today, 01:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
I do know here in the US, govt meddling has made health care grossly more expensive than it need be. Yes that is fact.
Spot on! And that includes Bernie, Mr. M4A, himself.
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Old Today, 01:45 PM
 
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No, the context I'm reading is Bernie is cherry pickin' costs.

The "average" person has got medical insurance - he's cherry picking the 'real' cost that a hospital charges, not what is out of pocket for the "average" person.

Then, he cherry picks the cost for Medicare as zero by not including what the "average" person pays out of pocket for the annual insurance premium.

But, then again, he could be pandering to those who don't make any money or pay any taxes and that "zero" cost to those folks is being paid for by me and the rest of us that DO pay taxes.
Bernie is pandering to the stupid, and they're swallowing his BS bait hook, line, and sinker. /smh
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Old Today, 01:49 PM
 
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Will Bernie eliminate the government regulations/controls over the health care industry? If not, he's just as bad as the rest. Bought and paid for by the industry.
He has always advocated to eliminate regulations that are clearly the result of corruption. Thats why he refuses to take the bribe money.

Are you ready to vote for someone who is not bribed? I am sure you've voted for GOP candidates for Congress time and time again. Tell us who their major donors are.
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Old Today, 01:55 PM
 
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His tweet refers to "at time of services rendered" and nothing else. Here's the cost breakdown under "mediwelfare for all" and using his average cost of the actual process = $32k.

Cost of childbirth, average = $32,000
Number of births US, approximate = 4,000,000
Total cost of childbirth, US, annual = $128,000,000,000
Number of US taxpayers, approximate = 140,000,000
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Cost of childbirth, per US taxpayer, annual = $914.

So at the time of the service rendered, the person having the child might actually pay nothing, but over the year, they and every other taxpayer paid $914.

Now, let us do a bit more math:

Cost of healthcare, US annual, approximate = $3.5 trillion
Number of US taxpayers, approximate = 140,000,000
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Cost of healthcare, per US taxpayer, annual = $25,000

So the couple having the baby could pay $32,000 the year they have the baby, or they could pay $50,000 every year, including the years where they don't have babies, just so that the day the baby comes, they feel like they paid $0.

Real cost versus imagined. Ah, politics.
The number of US 1040s filed is 140 million. Of those, only 78 million (55%) pay any federal income tax whatsoever. Of the 62 million 1040 filers who pay no federal income tax, 38 million also pay no payroll tax, either. How is that possible? Refundable tax credits eligible only for those in the middle class and the low-income earners.

So... recalculating gives us the following...

Cost of childbirth, average = $32,000
Number of births US, approximate = 4,000,000
Total cost of childbirth, US, annual = $128,000,000,000
Number of US taxpayers, approximate = 78,000,000
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Cost of childbirth, per US taxpayer, annual = $1,641

So at the time of the service rendered, the person having the child might actually pay nothing, but over the year, they and every other taxpayer paid $1,641.

Now, let us do a bit more math:

Cost of healthcare, US annual, approximate = $3.5 trillion
Number of US taxpayers, approximate = 78,000,000
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Cost of healthcare, per US taxpayer, annual = $44,872
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Old Today, 02:01 PM
 
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He has always advocated to eliminate regulations that are clearly the result of corruption. Thats why he refuses to take the bribe money.

Are you ready to vote for someone who is not bribed? I am sure you've voted for GOP candidates for Congress time and time again. Tell us who their major donors are.
If you actually believe that, let's get Bernie on record. List EXACTLY which government regulations/controls over the health care industry Bernie will eliminate.
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Old Today, 02:08 PM
 
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If you actually believe that, let's get Bernie on record. List EXACTLY which government regulations/controls over the health care industry Bernie will eliminate.
He has no incentive to do the bidding of big pharma and insurance, unlike you who vote for their puppets. So you'll defend the ban on Medicare being unable to negotiate reasonable drug prices. Because thats what the puppets you vote for want. Then you complain about high prices.
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Old Today, 02:10 PM
 
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This is the logic my 5 year old uses. Why isn’t everything “Free” she asks.
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Old Today, 02:13 PM
 
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He has no incentive to do the bidding of big pharma and insurance, unlike you who vote for their puppets.
If you truly believe so, put Bernie on the record.... List EXACTLY which government regulations/controls over the health care industry Bernie will eliminate. We're waiting...
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Old Today, 02:15 PM
 
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If you truly believe so, put Bernie on the record.... List EXACTLY which government regulations/controls over the health care industry Bernie will eliminate. We're waiting...
I already told you one example.

Now, please tell us who the major donors of the puppets you've voted for are. We're waiting.
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Old Today, 02:21 PM
 
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I already told you one example.
"Negotiating the prices" of government-controlled meds/devices isn't eliminating government regulation/control. Bernie is duping you.
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