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Old Yesterday, 05:39 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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We might as well face it that a certain percentage of people are just conspiracy junkies. No matter what happens, be it a mass shooting or some terrorist attack, they are right there with their little theories about how it never happened or it was fabricated by the government.

We just have to ignore them, otherwise we end up arguing with people who have no concept of reality. Those of us who live in the real world know **** happens.

These junkies simply do these conspiracies to get attention they lack in their own lives. They know it riles people up. Dont feed them.
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Old Yesterday, 06:22 PM
 
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Great video by investigative reported Ben Swann on the NY Fire Commissioners calling for a new investigation into 9-11 and the University of Fairkbanks, Alaska's study proving 100% conclusively that WTC Building 7 could NOT have fallen the way that NIST said it did. It was brought down by controlled demo, as well as the other two buildings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atv31d1BmLs
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Old Yesterday, 06:25 PM
 
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These junkies simply do these conspiracies to get attention they lack in their own lives. They know it riles people up. Dont feed them.
Oh those nutty NYC fire commissioners are at it again
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Old Yesterday, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Great video by investigative reported Ben Swann on the NY Fire Commissioners calling for a new investigation into 9-11 and the University of Fairkbanks, Alaska's study proving 100% conclusively that WTC Building 7 could NOT have fallen the way that NIST said it did. It was brought down by controlled demo, as well as the other two buildings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atv31d1BmLs
Is Building 7 the one Silverstein is on video saying he told them had to be pulled?
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Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Originally Posted by ray34iyf View Post
Great video by investigative reported Ben Swann on the NY Fire Commissioners calling for a new investigation into 9-11 and the University of Fairkbanks, Alaska's study proving 100% conclusively that WTC Building 7 could NOT have fallen the way that NIST said it did. It was brought down by controlled demo, as well as the other two buildings.
kid...you are losing it

Swann...a antivaxxer.....who believes in most conspiracies....


there was not controlled demo...ZERO explosive residue
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Old Yesterday, 06:58 PM
 
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The location of the port engine and its distance from and in relation to the fuselage indicates hit was struck in-flight by an AIM-9 Sidewinder in heat-seeking mode (likely because it would create the best chance for survivors unlike ESM- or radar-mode which would have struck the aircraft in the fuselage or wing).
Sidewinder only has an IR seeker... Aside from old 9Cs that were converted to AGM-122A Sidearms.
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Old Yesterday, 06:59 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Is Building 7 the one Silverstein is on video saying he told them had to be pulled?
nope...silverstein never TOLD anyone to pull it

are you calling the firemen liars???????



Battalion Chief John Norman
Special Operations Command - 22 years

From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. You could see smoke,....fire, and some damage to the south face. You couldn’t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/norman.html

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Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html


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The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt. Fire chief Daniel Nigro and Chief William Harvey

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Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/hayden.html

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from Chief Daniel Nigro

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.

2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.

3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.

4. numerous fires on most floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to (pull) stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
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Old Yesterday, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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nope...silverstein never TOLD anyone to pull it

are you calling the firemen liars???????



Battalion Chief John Norman
Special Operations Command - 22 years

From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. You could see smoke,....fire, and some damage to the south face. You couldn’t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/norman.html

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Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html


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The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt. Fire chief Daniel Nigro and Chief William Harvey

------------


Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/hayden.html

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He's been recorded saying he told them to pull it. Are you saying he lied?
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Old Yesterday, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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And then there's this conspiracy:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bin-lad...ily-evacuated/

Oh wait...
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Old Yesterday, 07:02 PM
 
Location: SM
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Is Building 7 the one Silverstein is on video saying he told them had to be pulled?
He's on video saying it.

Claims he meant for the responders to abandon their efforts/retreat out of the building and not initiate a demo.
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