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Old 09-14-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Originally Posted by LordSquidworth View Post
You incapable of actually comprehending the article?

There's a base in a foreign country that needs upgrades for the safety of our service men.

There's an expansion of a base on US soil for proper storage of over a billion dollars of munitions. Not properly, stored, risk not working when it comes to needing them.

There's a boiler at a base in Alaska that is on the verge of failure in an area that gets to -65. The base would need to be evacuated within hours and within hours will be frozen, costing tens of millions more than just putting the boiler in now.

This whole wall is ignorant. Border Patrol for the past couple decades hasn't been pushing for this. The GOP had Congress and the the White House and still couldn't approve it.
First, the items on the chopping block were decided on by the Secretary of Defense AFTER consulting with the Secretaries of each branch.

Second, that verbiage sounds far more urgent than the real situation. Several of those projects have been on the wish list for years, another few years would make no difference.

Oh, and the funds referred to below? Upgrades to foreign controlled and owned bases where US planes might land, as a part of NATO, if there were an emergency. In other words, we were going to pay money to upgrade their military bases, not our own. They can cough up the money if it is so (*bleep*) important.
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One of the major areas affected were military construction projects supporting the European Defense Initiative, a program intended to increase U.S. military presence in Europe to deter Russian aggression. In some cases, without the construction projects, the bases identified as part of the initiative cannot support the deployment of U.S. airmen or assets.

Projects to upgrade airfields in Germany, Luxembourg, Great Britain, Hungary and Slovakia have been shelved, leaving the bases unable to support U.S. and NATO airplanes. Construction of storage facilities and fuel supply has also been postponed, "directly limiting theater presence and impairing mission capability and readiness" and support to Operation Atlantic Resolve within Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, the report says.
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I guess not too many military in here- to understand why we need presence in Oconus - but then, the same crowd screams bout the fallen in Benghazi and how hard it was to get assets to them. As the military wife etc I understand having them, as well as secure the borders. Some wall will help, but more is needed to stop the flow internally than a dumb wall that can and will be breached. Guaranteed
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:13 AM
 
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"stealing"?

And we are called UN-educated!
Misappropriating then. Either way, the military says it could increase national security risks. But Trump doesn't care.
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Misappropriating then. Either way, the military says it could increase national security risks. But Trump doesn't care.
Neither do his supporters apparently. Next time they whine about money for the military, we all know where they can stuff it.
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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Originally Posted by LordSquidworth View Post
You incapable of actually comprehending the article?

There's a base in a foreign country that needs upgrades for the safety of our service men.

There's an expansion of a base on US soil for proper storage of over a billion dollars of munitions. Not properly, stored, risk not working when it comes to needing them.

There's a boiler at a base in Alaska that is on the verge of failure in an area that gets to -65. The base would need to be evacuated within hours and within hours will be frozen, costing tens of millions more than just putting the boiler in now.

This whole wall is ignorant. Border Patrol for the past couple decades hasn't been pushing for this. The GOP had Congress and the the White House and still couldn't approve it.
I'm willing to bet that these same issues you mentioned existed a few years ago and nobody (on the left) gave a d-mn! Why is that?
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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First, the items on the chopping block were decided on by the Secretary of Defense AFTER consulting with the Secretaries of each branch.

Second, that verbiage sounds far more urgent than the real situation. Several of those projects have been on the wish list for years, another few years would make no difference.

Oh, and the funds referred to below? Upgrades to foreign controlled and owned bases where US planes might land, as a part of NATO, if there were an emergency. In other words, we were going to pay money to upgrade their military bases, not our own. They can cough up the money if it is so (*bleep*) important.
That is infuriating.

Also, as much as NATO was theoretically a good idea and can be a force for good, NATO is not going to stop Russian aggression as Russia is a nuclear power and we aren't going to risk nuclear war. The US spending billions on foreign bases needs to stop. At least to the extent that we do. I will admit that having a foreign presence does serve the US interests in some ways, but we are way overextended.
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
First, the items on the chopping block were decided on by the Secretary of Defense AFTER consulting with the Secretaries of each branch.

Second, that verbiage sounds far more urgent than the real situation. Several of those projects have been on the wish list for years, another few years would make no difference.

Oh, and the funds referred to below? Upgrades to foreign controlled and owned bases where US planes might land, as a part of NATO, if there were an emergency. In other words, we were going to pay money to upgrade their military bases, not our own. They can cough up the money if it is so (*bleep*) important.
The SoD has no military experience
Is more a lobbyist for defense providers than an actual expert on what the forces need to do their jobs properly

The fact that the projects have been waiting to be done doesn’t mean that they can continue to wait years longer

And deferring US bases’ needs to NATO is just like Trump and his syncophants’ approach
Avoid responsibility and pass the buck...
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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From the Air Force who appears willing to contradict their C in C for his theft of funds for military projects
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...risks-n1054091

Likely other arms of the military have similar assessments that tell the truth about how Trump’s thefts are dangerous in various ways
Whether they allow them to be released so the Armed Services committees have something to fight with is difficult to say
Trump is so retaliatory that the people who had access to the AF report are likely going to face punishment
Whether THEY released the info or not
Trump is vindictive and the acting head of DOD is a real sycophant
Anyone who thinks Mattis would have allowed this deprivation to happen works for Trump
Trump is not the first POTUS to rob Peter to pay Paul.

No POTUS should be allowed to circumvent Congress when it comes to spending.
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Trump is not the first POTUS to rob Peter to pay Paul.

No POTUS should be allowed to circumvent Congress when it comes to spending.
I agree. But that's not what President Trump is doing. The National Emergencies Act, passed by Congress decades ago, authorizes this transfer of funds. The Act allows Congress the right to vote down the transfer of funds, but that was attempted and rejected (and this legitimized the transaction under the act in my view).

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Old 09-14-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by loves2read View Post
From the Air Force who appears willing to contradict their C in C for his theft of funds for military projects
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...risks-n1054091

Likely other arms of the military have similar assessments that tell the truth about how Trump’s thefts are dangerous in various ways
Whether they allow them to be released so the Armed Services committees have something to fight with is difficult to say
Trump is so retaliatory that the people who had access to the AF report are likely going to face punishment
Whether THEY released the info or not
Trump is vindictive and the acting head of DOD is a real sycophant
Anyone who thinks Mattis would have allowed this deprivation to happen works for Trump
Not building the wall is a threat to national security.
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