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I support the second amendment however I also support property rights. If a business wants to prohibit firearms on their property they are well within their rights. As a consumer I can decide to do business with that business or not.
I'm of the opinion that when any "right" is limited by a business or public venue then some form of mitigation must be in place to protect the intended right. For instance no government established religion so... you get to freely worship, freedom of speech, so... if you can't yell "FIRE" in a movie theater then fire alarms should be available, if you can't carry a firearm then security should be provided, etc, etc.
One basic premise we often forget, we're expected to be responsible, caring and good citizens.
We're using some unspoken assumptions. The OP was about business and with some further understanding public places or venues. You kinda went off the deep end with your response.
I also noted no rifles.
These are the type of responses that take rational thinking out of the equation and make it almost impossible to have a discussion.
I don't think he went off the deep end in the explanation of a flaw in your statement. If one decides when a particular space is secured or not to determine whether or not they should be allowed to carry their weapon, then you might as well force all private property owners and over step their rights. That ambiguity will always work against the property owner.
We're using some unspoken assumptions. The OP was about business and with some further understanding public places or venues. You kinda went off the deep end with your response.
I also noted no rifles.
These are the type of responses that take rational thinking out of the equation and make it almost impossible to have a discussion.
Fair enough, I was a little dramatic to make a point (and I acknowledged the house example was not the same as business example).
The point I was trying to make is that I support the 2A in that government shall not infringe, but I also support private property rights, be it a home, a business, or a privately owned forest.
My point, my only point, was that people's 2A rights don't trump (IMO) someones right to control what happens on their own property. I felt your (and OP topic) suggestion that property owners should be forced to bow to anyone is wrong.
It's a discussion, and that's my opinion. Like anyone else's opinion, it's up for debate and disagreement.
My answer to the OP: No, businesses should not be forced to allow CC nor OC if they don't want to. They should be expected to state their policy clearly, and they should understand that no matter what they decide, some will cheer, some will not, and some will take their business elsewhere. That's it in a nutshell.
Should businesses be forced to respect gun rights?
No. You don’t have a right to take you gun on their property. Don’t like that they won’t let your gun on their property? Don’t do business with them.
Do I have a right to take my homosexuality or transgenderism onto their property?
Does any notice how bizarre the analogies get? by people who are trying to set intellectual traps? Apparently they have agendas and don't realize or wish to acknowledge that you have/your right(s) are outlined in the constitution.
There is also priority of rights and some rights come into conflict with others. Read the preamble over and over. Sheesh ... I wish there was a vaccine against ignorance that would restore common sense. Revolutions do that too... Big thank you to our founding fathers.
No.
Freedom means you can say NO.
That does not mean the other person may not consent to your demands and conceal carry into your business anyway.
Even our courthouses are gun acceptable. Only the Courtroom is off limits to firearms and knives(arms)
You cannot carry guns into many courthouses. It is a state decision and in courthouses, you pass through the metal detector at the door. In fact, I'm not sure where it is allowed. What states allow guns in a courthouse?
Many liberals and Democrats support Walmart's activism and say that as a private business they should have the right to restrict people's rights to bear arms on their premises despite the 2nd amendment. Including banning people from open carry in states where it's legal.
However these same liberals and Democrats say a Christian business should NOT have the right to not endorse gay marriage. Many also say that even know the NFL is a private business, they should not have the right to make Colin Kaepernick stand for the national anthem. Anyone see the hypocrisy in this?
A private business should be able to legally discriminate. Property rights trump well intentioned morals. Just because one can do something doesn't mean they should.
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