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Old 09-20-2019, 07:09 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
If conditions start to change to the extent that you can no longer eat a chicken sandwich without putting on a pound, whereas 30 years ago you could eat a chicken sandwich without gaining any weight at all, then it is time to start doing something about the conditions instead of fruitlessly trying to adapt to them.


Stop. Just stop.


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Old 09-20-2019, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Stop. Just stop.

Have you read any of what I've posted before?

I guess you haven't.

So, here we go again:

Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
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A study published recently in the journal Obesity Research & Clinical Practice found that it’s harder for adults today to maintain the same weight as those 20 to 30 years ago did, even at the same levels of food intake and exercise.

The authors examined the dietary data of 36,400 Americans between 1971 and 2008 and the physical activity data of 14,419 people between 1988 and 2006. They grouped the data sets together by the amount of food and activity, age, and BMI.

They found a very surprising correlation: A given person, in 2006, eating the same amount of calories, taking in the same quantities of macronutrients like protein and fat, and exercising the same amount as a person of the same age did in 1988 would have a BMI that was about 2.3 points higher. In other words, people today are about 10 percent heavier than people were in the 1980s, even if they follow the exact same diet and exercise plans.
Do you see the point?

Unless you're lucky enough to have good genes, you have to be a dietary saint these days in order to not gain weight. That didn't used to be the case, as recently as 30 years ago.

Clearly, something else is going on besides "personal responsibility." You can be just as responsible now as 30 years ago, but you will be 10% heavier.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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It's called having an opinion.
Funnily enough they're quite common in debates on an internet forum.

You have no information to be have an opinion on whether I am a wimp or not.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:23 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
Have you read any of what I've posted before?

I guess you haven't.

So, here we go again:

Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s

Do you see the point?

Unless you're lucky enough to have good genes, you have to be a dietary saint these days in order to not gain weight. That didn't used to be the case, as recently as 30 years ago.

Clearly, something else is going on besides "personal responsibility." You can be just as responsible now as 30 years ago, but you will be 10% heavier.
I've read all of it - you've simply repeated the same handful of posts over and over again in this thread.


...A 2011 study out of the University of North Carolina, for example, found that average daily food intake among American adults increased by 570 calories between 1977 and 2006...


Metabolic modeling studies performed by Kevin Hall of the National Institutes of Health and others have shown that this increase easily accounts for all of the weight gain that Americans have experienced over the course of the “obesity epidemic.”...


Wait a second! Isn't Kevin Hall the same guy cited in your VOX article about exercise? Yep, he is. Good luck discrediting that source.


One such specialist is Laurie Beebe, RD, a Florida-based diet coach. “In the past 30 years of practicing as a registered dietitian,” she says, “I have not come across anything that makes me think people need to exercise longer and harder or eat fewer calories to lose weight. One thing that has definitely changed is that people do eat more and move less.”...


What really needs to be explained, then, is not why we are so much heavier than we used to be but why the York University researchers missed the obvious explanation. According to Stephan Guyenet, PhD, an obesity researcher and author of the Whole Health Source blog, the York University study relied on self-reported food intake data, which is notoriously inaccurate, whereas more credible estimates of how much food we eat are based on “food disappearance” data from the USDA. “If you look at the calorie intake numbers they report in the paper,” Guyenet says, “you can see that they’re implausible, particularly the numbers for women.”...


https://www.outsideonline.com/203007...ure-overweight




I agree about the microbiome angle, however. Google fecal transplants for some interesting reading - I'm thinking of the British marathoner with the C. diff infection as a specific example.

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Old 09-20-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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Two changes in habits since the 70s predominate:

1. Eating too frequently. Back in the 60s and 70s, people consumed calories three times a day. It was the fairly rare worker that had a job that permitted consumption of calories during breaks, and the majority of jobs people held didn't even permit breaks. The concept of "after school snack" was invented in the 60s. Students weren't allowed to eat except at lunch. People routinely had hours between calorie intakes.

Today, however, people take in calories so often through the day that their insulin levels are continuously high until the go to sleep at night. Every vending machine snack, every coffee with cream, sugared drink (also artificially sweetened drinks), even chewing gum spikes the insulin level in the blood.

Want diabetes? That's how you get diabetes.

Oh, but aren't we supposed to "graze" eating six times a day to prevent low blood sugar crashes?

Yeah, if you're eating only grass, you can graze.

Blood sugar is supposed to fall low between meals. That's how homo sapiens evolved. It's called "feeling normal" instead of being on a constant sugar high.

Eating frequently to avoid low blood sugar is like an alcoholic who drinks constantly to avoid a hangover.

If people start giving themselves at least twelve hours between meals even once a day, they will see the weight fall off.
Yep.

As I said before, the culture changed. From what you described to a culture of convenience.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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You have no information to be have an opinion on whether I am a wimp or not.

Excercising in AC ?
The whole point of exercise is to work up a sweat not try to stop it ...
However, my other theory is that in order to cope better with humidity the body needs to acclimatise to it.
If you spend your day going from AC house to AC car to AC office to AC shopping mall to AC bar or restaurant when your body finally gets to meet humidity it's totally out of whack to cope with it.
When I lived in Florida I never had the AC during the day relying instead on fans and through breezes.
And I loved excercising in humdity - saves time in a sauna and sweats away all the body's impurities.
Each to their own but I do admit to being the exception rather than the rule ...
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Excercising in AC ?
The whole point of exercise is to work up a sweat not try to stop it ...
However, my other theory is that in order to cope better with humidity the body needs to acclimatise to it.
If you spend your day going from AC house to AC car to AC office to AC shopping mall to AC bar or restaurant when your body finally gets to meet humidity it's totally out of whack to cope with it.
When I lived in Florida I never had the AC during the day relying instead on fans and through breezes.
And I loved excercising in humdity - saves time in a sauna and sweats away all the body's impurities.
Each to their own but I do admit to being the exception rather than the rule ...


If that's why you're exercising, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Just go sit in the sauna or steam room for 45 mins if all you want to do is sweat.


Regarding the detoxifying benefits of sweat:


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/n...tants-science/

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Old 09-20-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Originally Posted by Roscoe Conkling View Post
Excercising in AC ?
The whole point of exercise is to work up a sweat not try to stop it ...
However, my other theory is that in order to cope better with humidity the body needs to acclimatise to it.
If you spend your day going from AC house to AC car to AC office to AC shopping mall to AC bar or restaurant when your body finally gets to meet humidity it's totally out of whack to cope with it.
When I lived in Florida I never had the AC during the day relying instead on fans and through breezes.
And I loved excercising in humdity - saves time in a sauna and sweats away all the body's impurities.
But I do admit to being the exception rather than the rule ...


I have RA, many with RA are extremely heat sensitive. If I exercise strenuously in high heat and humidity, I faint, which is not conducive to a good workout. I'm good up to about 85 degrees, after that, I nearly had to be medi-vacced off the side of a crater due to loss of peripheral vision and half my body going numb.

You do you, and leave me to do me.


I sweat just fine in the gym.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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If that's why you're exercising, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Just go sit in the sauna or steam room for 45 mins if all you want to do is sweat.



You're looking at it the wrong way.
If you're not working up a sweat you're not exercising enough.
But to be honest at my age, even though I used to run marathons for a laugh, a brisk walk and a few gentle callisthenics is all I can manage.
I miss the intense workouts a lot.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by Roscoe Conkling View Post
You're looking at it the wrong way.
If you're not working up a sweat you're not exercising enough.
But to be honest at my age, even though I used to run marathons for a laugh, a brisk walk and a few gentle callisthenics is all I can manage.
I miss the intense workouts a lot.


No, I'm not. I sweat plenty in my workouts. It's a byproduct, not the goal.


You're the one who said that "The whole point" of working out was to sweat, not me. If I workout in 95* and 90% humidity, I'll sweat more than the exact same workout done at 60* and 55% humidity. The warmer workout isn't somehow magically more effective just because I sweat more.
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