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Originally Posted by Neuling
Both private ownership and free trade should be limited.
Piling up wealth is totally unnatural. In nature, when one animal piles up, say, food, others will increasingly take it away from it. Nor is there inheritance of wealth in nature.
Just another sign of humans being different from squirrels.
Just another sign of humans being different from squirrels.
Its been observed in nature that animals that tend to be highly social, also tend to share food. This behavior has been observed in: Lions, wolves, birds which reside in flocks, various primates, etc.
Capitalism is a property theory, not a form of government. Capitalism can and does exist under all forms of government, from dictatorships to democracies.
Capitalism without regulation ultimately does not work, and will fail just as history is littered with examples of failed capitalist governments. Capitalism without regulation is essentially like modern drug cartels, no rules operations up to killing the competition.
Regulation is a fancy term for slavery - it’s government pointing a gun at people and forcing them to do things.
The part where people dare to disagree then the violence of capitalism starts. When a poorer country that has a lower education, technology and capital is forced to "compete" with richer countries in the "free" market. Pressures, sanctions and wars follows.
I support private property, but there are good arguments people make about education and health with respect to the community, that is to serve people for the sake of education and health rather than maximaxing profits.
I hope you don't have any more loaded question.
Nobody is forcing any poor country to compete with the rich countries. They do so under their free will.
Please explain to me why people must be forced at gunpoint to pay for your healthcare or education.
You clearly have thought this through. Implication of any system of criminal law rests on the use of violence or threat of violence by those in the position of authority. Would you say that having a system of law is evil?
In a capitalist system what is stopping the poor from plundering the rich? Threat and implication of violence. Thus according to you, Capitalism must be an evil idea.
Social security
Debunked more than a thousand times.
Refusing to pay your social security tax and see how long you can live. Social security is nothing but slavery - forcing some people to pay for other people’s retirement. In which way is it moral, just or fair?
Having a legal status to work in the country is not slavery.
Not allowing a company to murder the competitor is not slavery.
Not allowing poisoned food to be sold is not slavery.
But again, you are confusing government with capitalism. Capitalism can exist with pretty much any form of government, and it does exist with many forms now days. A capitalist society can be exceptionally cruel, or can generate great benefits to its people, and anywhere in between.
The OP was "why communism was so appealing", and well, because those who embraced it generally were those who were experiencing the worse consequences of capitalism.
Communist theory was around for a while, it is not a new concept of the state controlling the means of production in some form or another. However, the key thing with Marx was the timing, the industrial revolution, along with the classical liberal era toppling/reforming monarchies, were in full swing and greatly transformed the world, especially the labor force.
I have not read this entire thread, but my 2 cents is that a lot of the misguided thinking came out of academia. When I went to college many eons ago, several of my history professors were avowed Marxists.
Just as with academia's embrace of eugenics in the early 20th century. As Orwell said, "there are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them."
Having a legal status to work in the country is not slavery.
Not allowing a company to murder the competitor is not slavery.
Not allowing poisoned food to be sold is not slavery.
But again, you are confusing government with capitalism. Capitalism can exist with pretty much any form of government, and it does exist with many forms now days. A capitalist society can be exceptionally cruel, or can generate great benefits to its people, and anywhere in between.
The OP was "why communism was so appealing", and well, because those who embraced it generally were those who were experiencing the worse consequences of capitalism.
Communist theory was around for a while, it is not a new concept of the state controlling the means of production in some form or another. However, the key thing with Marx was the timing, the industrial revolution, along with the classical liberal era toppling/reforming monarchies, were in full swing and greatly transformed the world, especially the labor force.
What does “murder competition” mean?
You don’t need to add slavery (regulation) to freedom (free trade).
Please don’t confuse free trade with creating harm. Free trade doesn’t mean you are free to harm people or the environment.
If a company creates real harm, the executives need to go to jail or be executed. Insurance is there for disaster or accidents.
I have not read this entire thread, but my 2 cents is that a lot of the misguided thinking came out of academia. When I went to college many eons ago, several of my history professors were avowed Marxists.
Just as with academia's embrace of eugenics in the early 20th century. As Orwell said, "there are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them."
If they claim to be Nazis, wouldn’t they be fired in two seconds?
The fact they can openly claim to be Marxists and still have a job is a testament of our horrible education.
Compared to Marxists, Nazis would look like saints.
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