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Old 09-19-2019, 01:12 PM
 
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Crazy as it is but no need to worry. Once the communists get rid of (I mean exterminate) all the rich people, they will be the next on the chopping block.

The funny part is that they believe they will be immune to the wrath of communism. They don’t even know their own ideology that well.
Just pathetic ...SMH
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Old 09-19-2019, 02:14 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
How do you expect to get a serious discussion if your thread title is so biased to begin with?

Nor do I get the impression that you understand what communism/socialism is about.

Those ideas have been around for a long time, since BC. Just like in modern times, when those ideas got their current names, they have always been the response to rampant inequality in society, and all the problems that brings. Same later on during industrialization. One might even say that excessive capitalism produces communism/socialism.
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Old 09-19-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Just pathetic ...SMH
Those rich communists don’t know the only repentance in communism for the crime of having some wealth is death.
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Old 09-19-2019, 04:15 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Those rich communists don’t know the only repentance in communism for the crime of having some wealth is death.
Marx never advocated for the killing of wealthy people, he was actually quite compassionate in his assessment on how they can often be the victims of capitalism just like the poor. He mentions how many children born into wealthy families are forced into loveless marriages on behalf of the family in order to preserve or expand the families wealth. His point was how the injustice of the capitalist system effects every level of society from top to bottom.
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Old 09-19-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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Marx never advocated for the killing of wealthy people, he was actually quite compassionate in his assessment on how they can often be the victims of capitalism just like the poor. He mentions how many children born into wealthy families are forced into loveless marriages on behalf of the family in order to preserve or expand the families wealth. His point was how the injustice of the capitalist system effects every level of society from top to bottom.
Name one communist policy that can be implemented without slaughtering or threatening to slaughter people.
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Name one communist policy that can be implemented without slaughtering or threatening to slaughter people.
Social Security
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Reading through 5 pages of replies, I am actually pleasantly surprised. A few ignorant comments, but mostly intelligent replies to the question. You don't see that much on this forum.

That's cuz most replies came when it was in the History forum, where there are knowledgeable and thoughtful readers, instead off radical knee-jerkers.
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Old 09-19-2019, 06:11 PM
 
Location: USA
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Why? Because false hope sells.

Every religious building on earth testifies to that fact.

One could argue that civilization itself is based on false hope.
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Old 09-19-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
So you don't like the early Christians, then?

https://libcom.org/history/early-christian-communists

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When most people hear the world “communism”, they think of one of two things: totalitarian regimes such as Stalinist Russia or Maoist China, or some far off utopia where the entire world lives without any property whatsoever or any state. The actual classical meaning of the word, the meaning that actually represents something in reality, is basically nothing more than any social-relationship or structure where the principle of “from each according to his ability to each according to his need” is the primary moral framework of the social relationship or structure.
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You have early Church fathers actually describing, in detail, Christian gatherings in which sharing is done, along with distribution—and they even had to distinguish the sharing of material goods with things like wife swapping (saying Christians did the former, but not the latter). You have outside sources, such as the Roman Poet Lucian mocking the Christians for their communism, telling a story about a charlatan who goes around scamming the Christians taking advantage of their sharing—and in fact describing communism as the defining feature of the Christians.
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Old 09-19-2019, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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The same way many Americans (especially the conservatives) have bought into Populism and elected Trump.

Communism is just a more extreme form of Populism - you have a group of people who feel like they are at the bottom or fear they are heading there, they see many people doing much better than they do, they feel like the system is against them, and they are told that all these educated rich elite are stealing from them. So they want to upend the system to create a more "equal" one and also to get revenge on those they felt wronged them.

A common theme with both Communism and Populism is that they label the rich educated class (usually those who live in urban cities) as elitist and out of touch; and claim that their riches is a result of stealing or denying the lower classes.

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

Not necessarily the same thing as Communism there because Communism on a massive scale completely disregards the ordinary people, instead focusing entirely on delivering the promised Marxist Utopia, no matter how many common people are slaughtered along the way.

The really weird thing is Populism perfectly describes what the Democrats used to bill themselves as: The party for the common people. The party that fights the big corporations on behalf of the poor and downtrodden. Weird how that notion has been almost entirely abandoned by Democrats.
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