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Old 09-21-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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Glad to see CA suing him. He has no right to interfere in their business.
Yup!

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/20/76276...ions-standards
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Old 09-21-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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He has the right actually the EPA has the right but they will lose in court.
Yeah, I thought conservatives were all about states' rights. I guess they are until they aren't.
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Old 09-21-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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He has the right actually the EPA has the right but they will lose in court.
If they lose in court they don’t have the right.

There’s nothing in the legislation that started all this that outlines revoking the waiver.

There’s no precedent.

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Yeah, I thought conservatives were all about states' rights. I guess they are until they aren't.
Same thing with budget deficits.
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Old 09-21-2019, 09:13 PM
 
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If cars become cheaper and safer I'm all for freezing gas mileage standards where they are which is very good
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Old 09-22-2019, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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If they lose in court they don’t have the right.

There’s nothing in the legislation that started all this that outlines revoking the waiver.

There’s no precedent.



Same thing with budget deficits.
Correct, no one as of yet has been able to address how they would deny California's application for a waiver based on the 3 categories for denial. It will be an interesting day in court with the lawyers for the EPA defending why California needs a lower standard for clean air that the car companies agreed to, that will be one for the record books. We are truly in weird territory as we have been on many actions by Trump.


Its always entertaining to see his supporters try to make sense out of total insanity on all these issues.
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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Correct, no one as of yet has been able to address how they would deny California's application for a waiver based on the 3 categories for denial. It will be an interesting day in court with the lawyers for the EPA defending why California needs a lower standard for clean air that the car companies agreed to, that will be one for the record books. We are truly in weird territory as we have been on many actions by Trump.


Its always entertaining to see his supporters try to make sense out of total insanity on all these issues.
The Department of Transportation (working together with the EPA) is explaining how they ARE doing it. Not how could they (future tense). You do not seem to realize what has already happened here.
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Old 09-22-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Enjoy yellow air. Good times.
Well, those emission standards by CA must not be doing much at all because when I first got to CA in 2015, I could see the air. When you said 'enjoy yellow air' it reminded me of when I first arrived.

No, it wasn't "pollen" like some people want to pretend, the air was yellow. Everywhere. I had just come from a very clean state to this dump hole where I could actually see the air.

My sister thought I was nuts, and I told her it's because she has lived in CA all her life - she can't see it because she's used to it. But when you come from clean air to CA, you can definitely see it. When I went to get my smog test, I told the guy that for the first time, I fully understand why cars need it because the air in CA is disgusting.

I've lived in WA, TX, NC, FL, ME, as well as CA. CA is the only place I've ever lived with air so filthy you can see it.

Now that I've been here a few years, I can no longer see it - just like the rest of the clueless people in CA.
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Old 09-22-2019, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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deflection.

Issue here is as a state, do they have the right to set environmental standards for themselves above and beyond federal standards.

I agree..California can set any standard they want but they can't set the same standard to the other 49 states....If auto makers want to abide by California standards they can have at it... if it makes economical sense to them.
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Well, those emission standards by CA must not be doing much at all because when I first got to CA in 2015, I could see the air. When you said 'enjoy yellow air' it reminded me of when I first arrived.

No, it wasn't "pollen" like some people want to pretend, the air was yellow. Everywhere. I had just come from a very clean state to this dump hole where I could actually see the air.

My sister thought I was nuts, and I told her it's because she has lived in CA all her life - she can't see it because she's used to it. But when you come from clean air to CA, you can definitely see it. When I went to get my smog test, I told the guy that for the first time, I fully understand why cars need it because the air in CA is disgusting.

I've lived in WA, TX, NC, FL, ME, as well as CA. CA is the only place I've ever lived with air so filthy you can see it.

Now that I've been here a few years, I can no longer see it - just like the rest of the clueless people in CA.
Under certain conditions the air in any of the valley cities can be seen. LA is worse than most in that it is naturally polluted. It sits on a layer of petroleum that leaks out. So if you removed everyone it is still likely LA would not meet clean air standards.

You can see the yellow cloud over Las Vegas when we have an inversion generally in the winter. Rare but real.

And compared to the 60s and 70s LA is vastly better.
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Old 09-22-2019, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Department of Transportation (working together with the EPA) is explaining how they ARE doing it. Not how could they (future tense). You do not seem to realize what has already happened here.
The same DOT and EPA that came up with 54MPG now wants 37 MPG, based on what.
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