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Old 09-19-2019, 07:09 PM
 
Location: United States
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I just checked the sources cited by the report.

This is what I found.

38,396 deaths by firearms (includes suicides)

38,659 deaths by motor vehicle

They lied, motor vehicles caused more death than firearms, even when including suicides using firearms.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The suckers that pay into the NRA are making dreams happen for....Wayne LaPierre!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1XbAbLFrPQ
5-10% of all gun owners. Whoopdeeedooo In your head rent free
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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More states/cities are starting to make laws to either drive without texting or go hands-free. Many car manufacturers are now adding safety features that encourage more hands-free communication while driving.
So that will take care of the problem? Why don't we try simply passing laws that make it illegal to shoot innocent people for no reason? Then we won't have an issue with guns.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:53 PM
 
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More states/cities are starting to make laws to either drive without texting or go hands-free. Many car manufacturers are now adding safety features that encourage more hands-free communication while driving.
And distracted driving accidents are increasing. Are you handing in your phone ?
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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How so?

I'm not pro-abortion at all. I believe a woman has the right to choose what she can do with her body. IO also explained the difference I see between someone choosing physician-assisted suicide and someone who on a whim picks up a gun and shoots themselves.

We haven't even mentioned the chance of accidentally shooting someone else while shooting yourself or the chance that instead of killing yourself, you simply become a vegetable instead.

I know a lot of folks seem to think all things are either/or. But most issues have many shades of grey and nuance.
If you are against something, you're not going to support the right of someone else to engage in something. Otherwise, you're not truly against something. At least not 100%, which is enough for me to make my argument. You just wouldn't make that decision for yourself, but that's different from being against the thing in question.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:32 PM
 
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And distracted driving accidents are increasing. Are you handing in your phone ?
We really need to evaluate the education system in this country. That is evident from this thread.
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Old 09-19-2019, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Well there goes the "get rid of cars because more are killed in accidents than guns" NRA talking point.








https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...zP0AfljemAXZVk



This nonsense thread is completely untrue. There were far more deaths caused by firearms than automobiles in the late 1500's through the early 1800's. At the same time there were even more deaths due to infection and disease during those years. I also imagine that there were more than plenty deaths from falling off horses, horse drawn carts and buggies.



Anyone can use cherry picked and selective data in an attempt to advance the narrative they seek to push. Doing so does NOT make their claims true. It simply makes them dishonest, willing to write, do or say anything in order to further their agenda.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Most other civilized countries have a generally unarmed citizenry and are generally safer than the United States.


People should have the right to bear arms, but the second amendment is one of the most misrepresented pieces of the constitution, which was written in the 1780s.

I think the reason people get more concerned about gun deaths is often it was not the victim's own behavior that led to the gun death (except for suicide), especially in some of these recent mass shootings. Occasionally car accidents are. Some of the health issues are, some are not.
The first sentence is not really true. This myth is based on cherry picking certain countries with a high standard of living, and (often) relatively small, homogenous populations. Despite that, Japan, for example has much higher suicide rate than the U.S., Switzerland has an armed populace and is a safe country, England has essentially a ban of firearms and violence is rampant. Interestingly as some of these countries become more similar to the U.S. demographically, their violence is escalating, independent of anything happening with guns or gun laws. In other words, guns or no guns, culture dictates violence. Even on a smaller scale we see this in the U.S. in variations among states and cities. A very small percentage, something like 2%, IIRC, of all U. S. counties are responsible for the vast majority of violent crime in this entire country. See the accompanying graphs for example. The one showing all countries is maybe too small to show up legibly here but the red line is the U.S. The source is legible if you want to further verify it. The other graph shows that, despite record gun ownership in all of the Americas, the U.S. gun violence is nothing striking at all.

The second amendment is pretty clear in that the populace is to be armed, primarily as a last protection against tyranny. I think anyone who thinks any country is far too civilized to lapse into tyranny is being naive, just my $0.02.

I agree that any kind of crime perpetrated on a person who has done no wrong and is just minding their own business is reprehensible but taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not going to stop that. England is now in the just plain stupid position of trying to ban pointed knives because of the knife violence. Once a culture has a significant portion of the population that doesn’t value human life, there’s going to be a problem.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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A brief explanation from Penn and Teller.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5IYKMalBEU
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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We really need to evaluate the education system in this country. That is evident from this thread.
I'm just using the logic the anti gun crowd does.

So, 4015 teens die a year due to texting and driving. When will you be handing in your phone ? Think about the children, or don't you care that they are being senselessly slaughtered...11 a day !
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