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Old 09-19-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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Obviously Trump has got something to hide. And it could be all perfectly legal but politically and personally embarrassing. Like being in debt up to his eyeballs.
Right. Or it could be a compromise situation - perhaps he has loans with Russian oligarch cosigners. Very curious if any Trump fans here would consider that a national security threat or not.

Hint: it is.

 
Old 09-19-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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your personal tax returns are nobody business, if the irs is happy that the end of it. they are just hunting for something to impeach him on, I would be asking the question, why do you need to know
This is really overprotective of the president.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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So his excuse about not releasing his taxes due to being audited was a lie? I’m shocked... said no one.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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Comrade TЯump does not want it to have revealed just how deep the kompromat goes.
And I hope they never come to light.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Trump doesn't want his tax returns to be released for the simple reason that Democrats will make every little detail a story in 2020, similar to Russiagate.
Then maybe he shouldn't have lied about saying he would release them???

That is the issue. If Trump had said from the get go that he wouldn't release them then this would be a different conversation. But instead as the OP pointed out. He said he would release them multiple times.

You and your MAGA pals might have noticed this if a democrat had done it.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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This is really overprotective of the president.
No it isn't.

It's really protective of the 4th Amendment, which the President enjoys same as any other citizen.

His tax returns are not a matter of public record, read the IRS code. The one possible exception is that Congress, under subpoena pursuant to a specific investigation, can view those records, but even then the records are for use only in committee, not releasable on the floor of the House or Senate, and cannot be made public.

Sorry to break it to you, but Orange_Man_Bad is not a sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution and the rule of law.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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No it isn't.

It's really protective of the 4th Amendment, which the President enjoys same as any other citizen.

His tax returns are not a matter of public record, read the IRS code. The one possible exception is that Congress, under subpoena pursuant to a specific investigation, can view those records, but even then the records are for use only in committee, not releasable on the floor of the House or Senate, and cannot be made public.

Sorry to break it to you, but Orange_Man_Bad is not a sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution and the rule of law.
I'm very aware they're not a matter of public record. Did I call it illegal? No.

Considering that that he's the only candidate to not release dating back to Ford, he looks like a whiny baby. Or what did Chrissy Teigen call him last week? Yeah, that.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 03:07 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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No it isn't.

It's really protective of the 4th Amendment, which the President enjoys same as any other citizen.

His tax returns are not a matter of public record, read the IRS code. The one possible exception is that Congress, under subpoena pursuant to a specific investigation, can view those records, but even then the records are for use only in committee, not releasable on the floor of the House or Senate, and cannot be made public.

Sorry to break it to you, but Orange_Man_Bad is not a sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution and the rule of law.
Right, but DT has not provided said records to the House Ways and Means Committee upon request. He's in violation of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-407ca3c2894e/
 
Old 09-19-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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Right, but DT has not provided said records to the House Ways and Means Committee upon request. He's in violation of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-407ca3c2894e/
Is there an active Ways & Means legislative process going on that requires viewing the President's tax returns? As in, is the Ways & Means committee currently pursuing a legislative action against/involving the President such that tax returns are actually relevant?

If not, then Watkins v United States, 1957 and Kilbourn v Thompson both provide the precedent of not having to surrender private papers/effects/etc for the sole purpose of exposure, defamation, political intrigues, etc.

So what is the narrow, specific legislative purpose being undertaken by the Ways & Means Committee that necessitates private review of the President's tax returns, and which specific tax years would that narrow legislative purpose apply to?

In brief, paraphrasing an abstract in George Mason Law Review (Grewal, 2019), this whole "we can demand his returns any time we want" is only true during an official impeachment inquiry. Is there an official impeachment inquiry going on where the articles of impeachment sent to committee include his taxes and tax returns? If not, the IRS code, the rule of law, SCOTUS precedent and the 4th Amendment are all pretty clear, eh? He is not in violation o the law. He is arguing that the actual cannot compel these documents simply because his political opponents say so. Let the SCOTUS decide.
 
Old 09-19-2019, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Trump's taxes are only his and the IRS's business. Not yours, not mine.

Another day of frenzy for the Dems ... lmao
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