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Old 09-24-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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If I were homeless, I would certainly look for a temperate climate. Makes total sense.
I'd look for a job so I wouldn't be homeless....
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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It would require legislative action and funding in state houses across the nation. This is a state responsibility and the feds really have no reason to be involved with it. This really could be wrapped up with an effort to bring back the mental institutions. It is all expensive no doubt but so is the cost to society of all the vagrants and crime. Mentally ill would go to the institution, homeless people go to the homeless camp. Best idea is that these facilities would be located near each other, homelessness, addiction and mental illness are all often related.

This is a humane solution to the homeless problem. It would make the streets safer, more sanitary and it would protect the health and well being of the homeless. Mental institutions would remove dangerous people from the streets and even work to reduce America’s mass shooting problem as well. Also we must remember that the people who live in cities have a right to not have their neighborhood become a vagrant camp, have a right to sidewalks and parks that are human feces and drug needle free. No one should ever mistake a American city with Calcutta. It’s worth every penny to remove and humanely house this problematic population.
I'm all for it.
Seems like we used to do this at one time though....
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It would require legislative action and funding in state houses across the nation. This is a state responsibility and the feds really have no reason to be involved with it. This really could be wrapped up with an effort to bring back the mental institutions. It is all expensive no doubt but so is the cost to society of all the vagrants and crime. Mentally ill would go to the institution, homeless people go to the homeless camp. Best idea is that these facilities would be located near each other, homelessness, addiction and mental illness are all often related.

This is a humane solution to the homeless problem. It would make the streets safer, more sanitary and it would protect the health and well being of the homeless. Mental institutions would remove dangerous people from the streets and even work to reduce America’s mass shooting problem as well. Also we must remember that the people who live in cities have a right to not have their neighborhood become a vagrant camp, have a right to sidewalks and parks that are human feces and drug needle free. No one should ever mistake a American city with Calcutta. It’s worth every penny to remove and humanely house this problematic population.
States began closing mental institutions in the 50’s. These institutions were major political embarrassments and a drain on state resources.

As Federal Funding dried up, the final nails were put into most state institutions. Prisons became the de facto mental institution.

What objective criteria would you use to determine who gets institutionalized?

Most sensational mass shootings involved a lot of planning. Those shooters who survive are usually determined to be competent to stand trial.

Most mentally ill are not violent.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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Why work in a red state when you can mooch in a blue one? Just more democrats coming home.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Not really. A US citizen remains a resident of their home state even if they move overseas. Anyone changing their residency within the United States needs to take certain steps like: pay taxes, establish a domicile, change voter registration, car registration.

Anyone can visit another state, with that state having some responsibility for emergency aid. I suppose a case could be made for being reimbursed by the home state. Novel idea, though. Not going to happen.
I agree with this. If someone from Indiana moves to California to be homeless and never establish a legal domicile then they still are an Indiana resident. You could make the argument that California could pick them up for vagrancy and return them to Indiana. Not sure of the legality however if Indian resisted taking responsibility for their bum. All of that would have to be sorted out by state law. Considering this involves transport of people over state lines federal action by Congress may be needed.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Dude.

The Federal Court told ALL cities that they can't ban people from camping out on the streets, for the most part. That applies to ALL cities!!


Cities can’t criminalize homelessness, federal court affirms


Now, they can arrest people for shooting up drugs but most aren't dumb enough to do it in front of people, even if a small portion do.
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Quick answer-this needs to go to SCOTUS to clean up this mess that a lower court has made. Let me guess-9th district? They like their bums and druggers.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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This is what right-wing media like Fox News don't want people to know, and what me living in this city on a regular basis - many of the homeless are those escaping their hometowns somewhere in Middle America and being free (or so they say) in San Francisco. Many of them prefers to be homeless, and maybe proud of it. They travel around the country by train and they loves panhanding on the streets of big cities - New Orleans, Denver, Los Angeles, etc. They go where it's fun and San Francisco is one such places.

The point is - homelessness is a complicated issue that is MUCH MORE than just, "Hey them liberals don't take care of their cities." There are certainly people who are living here and lost their houses, but there are also people who come here just to sleep on the streets.


Three homeless - two from Illinois and one from Ohio.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJI1B61tbic


Meet the infamous homeless Haight Street Kids. People in this video are from Texas, South Carolina, Michigan, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIHa8QyU2Ok


More on the Haight Street Kids.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSolKeAWO5s


Article on the SF's Haight Street homeless.

https://hoodline.com/2015/03/getting...ht-street-kids


This woman is from Florida and found herself living on the streets in Los Angeles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyAKUEmzMPk


She moved to LA for school and said she prefers to be homeless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxVwTVU15Q

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This only highlights much of what we already know - many of these people are simply losers who, like their hippie forbearers, don't want to live with the mores and standards of society. They choose to live like this and then complain that they're victims.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'm all for it.
Seems like we used to do this at one time though....
^ 65 years ago......

Institutions trended House of Horrors and became huge political embarrassments and drains on state resources. Closures began in the 50’s.

Today, a stay in a psychiatric facility is brief and only used for acute episodes of mental illness. While county/ state costs are variable, $1000/ day is in the average range.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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It would require legislative action and funding in state houses across the nation. This is a state responsibility and the feds really have no reason to be involved with it. This really could be wrapped up with an effort to bring back the mental institutions. It is all expensive no doubt but so is the cost to society of all the vagrants and crime. Mentally ill would go to the institution, homeless people go to the homeless camp. Best idea is that these facilities would be located near each other, homelessness, addiction and mental illness are all often related.

This is a humane solution to the homeless problem. It would make the streets safer, more sanitary and it would protect the health and well being of the homeless. Mental institutions would remove dangerous people from the streets and even work to reduce America’s mass shooting problem as well. Also we must remember that the people who live in cities have a right to not have their neighborhood become a vagrant camp, have a right to sidewalks and parks that are human feces and drug needle free. No one should ever mistake a American city with Calcutta. It’s worth every penny to remove and humanely house this problematic population.
The large-scale deinstitutionalization of the disabled (including the mentally ill) began in the 1970s, probably in response to various statutes and Court decisions. Least-restrictive-care.

Legal implications aside, setting up the large state institutions would be enormously expensive. Prohibitively so. Back in the day many institutions were hell-holes with minimal staffing that could not exist today. Potentially combative inmates were drugged until they became zombies.

Care burdens for the profoundly disabled falls on families, who may receive minor assistance through Medicaid waiver programs - with even that adding substantially to Federal/State budgets. Once parents die, the state will step in providing care through group homes etc. The less profoundly disabled often find themselves on the street.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This only highlights much of what we already know - many of these people are simply losers who, like their hippie forbearers, don't want to live with the mores and standards of society. They choose to live like this and then complain that they're victims.
I did not hear too much complaining by the young adults in these videos.
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