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Old 09-27-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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There are so many holes in this story, it is starting to look like swiss cheese.

This is being sold, as was the Russian Hoax, as a " national security issue " .

The CIA operative, or ex operative got involved for that reason, so we are told. However this person claims that when the " lock down" of the transcript was initiated, it was sent to a secure area for storage, which is only used for more sensitive national security issues. So why was that alarming to the " whistle blower " ?

At first it is a national security issue so that person blows the whistle, then when it is treated a such, it is called into question? It doesn't add up.

There are specific guide lines that must be followed in these situations , and any CIA " operative " would not take these actions unless it was a politically motivated. It just doesn't add up. It wasn't an " intelligence " issue at all. It isn't the business of the CIA to get involved in phone calls by world leaders in the White House.

Look at the similarities to the Steele Dossier. Third hand information. Unverified. Constant " bombshells " based on information in media reports. And right smack in the middle is the NY Times. The number one fan of the Russian Hoax fiasco.

The whistle blower should be called in , under oath , and questioned extensively about his or her involvement. That would be step one before any talk of Impeachment. Just like the Russian Hoax, the DNC and the Media have kept America on edge, disrupted the business of the people for several years . spending tens of millions of dollars, and where did it end up ? All based on conjecture, innuendo and speculation , no wonder it fell flat.

Adam Schiff, having been disgraced time and time again as having said he had " evidence in plain sight" regarding Trump and Russia has orchestrated Chapter two of the quest to get rid of Trump. He may have actually written the " whistle blower " report himself.

It is a national security issue, because the integrity of elections are a national security issue. A candidate is prohibited from asking foreign countries for assistance to get elected. The Steele Dossier was solicited by an American company on behalf of Republicans.

 
Old 09-27-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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How in the world can we hold military personnel to certain standards and let the Commander in Chief violate and break all types of protocol. The president has destroyed respect for authority to be obeyed and this Ukraine move is the height of misuse of authority.
Yeah, look at how many military service members have done more time in prison for less than what Hillary Clinton did while she was SOS during the Obama Administration.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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Someone was concerned about the call. That's why there was a whistleblower complaint. Somebody was concerned.



Off of 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand knowledge, who knows? The whistleblower letter clearly stated the information they received from 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand knowledge, had no clue if the people they were receiving the information from were even in the room when the phone call was being conducted....3rd page, 4th paragraph, last sentence in the letter.....
 
Old 09-27-2019, 10:59 AM
 
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You are so intent on smearing Biden, that you refuse to actually consider what Trump, by his own admission, did. And yet you attack the Dem party as having no ethics and being fine with corruption. When we know for a fact that Trump actually did freeze Ukraine's aid money, then called the Ukrainian president, and asked for a favor, a political favor that he is actually prohibited by campaign laws from doing. It's not a witch hunt. Trump did do this.
Except that the Ukraine President was unaware of the " freeeze" on the money. He said " No presssure" . Are you calling him a liar?

And you don't know any fact on WHY the money was held up. IT could very well be that the President was elected because the people that voted for him may be sick and tired of millions of taxpayer dollars flowing out of the country as " foreign aid " , when the business of Americans that needs to be taken care of is overlooked. Maybe you should have paid more attention to his Campaign when he spoke about it.

That's his job as President He isn't a rubber stamp for Congress to just let millions and billions flow out of the country. Why do you think he is confronting China? They are eating our lunch and building their cities and economy with all our money, while our once great manufacturing base crumbles.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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How in the world can we hold military personnel to certain standards and let the Commander in Chief violate and break all types of protocol. The president has destroyed respect for authority to be obeyed and this Ukraine move is the height of misuse of authority.



LOL....it's a nothing burger...you lost, queen hillary lost....no need to throw a tantrum about it....sorry...
 
Old 09-27-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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This wasn't " whistle blowing" . This was an opinion with a narrative based on observation and conjecture, making sure to cross certain t's and dot the I's to make it look presentable.

You can't cover up something that is yet to be proved.There isn't any evidence. No money changing hands, no pallerts of cash in the dead of night, no deals outside Congress, nothing of the sort.

A " whistle blower" has first hand experience, including evidence that will stand on it's own. It isn't taken from what was overheard, told off the record, by anonymous individuals. We are talking about charging the POTUS with serious breaches of his duties. The standard of Proof needs to be very high.

The DEms charged " cover up" regarding Russia, Turns out there wasn't anything to cover up.

Your post is filled with nonsense. Who has been harmed by alleged foreign inteferference?
The Government hasn't even gotten their hands on the DNC server. Those Facebook ads from a bunch of Russians in Siberia ? Really?
No, this is whistle-blowing. There is no necessity of pallets of cash in the dead of night. There is the President, himself, releasing a memo that roughly recounted the conversation, where the President, himself, asked another foreign leader for a favor, a political favor. There is an aid package that was inexplicably blocked by the President, without a heads up to Congress or to the State Department or to Homeland Security, just days before the phone call. The whistle-blower was concerned, and followed protocol to report his concerns. And the IG agreed with him that it was a concern. The DOJ didn't. But that is why such complaints also go to Congress to be reviewed. The DOJ is the government's lawyer, they argue cases on behalf of the government, and on behalf of the President. We have a system of balance and checks because we recognize that the DOJ, an executive department, can be biased in favor of the executive himself.

And moreover, you know this was wrong. All your pointing fingers say that you believe this to be wrong, because you don't think the Dems were above-board in the 2016 election. If you think the Dems behaved badly, then you have to think that President Trump behaved badly in terms of this issue.

And the administration knew this was wrong, too. Why else store this conversation on a "top-secret" server?
 
Old 09-27-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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Our IQ is still at 200, it's the left paying dumb.....calm down, your queen lost and that's all this is about....


Trump broke no law....because you "think" he did, does not mean he did....that is why your IQ is at 50....what you think should be law does not mean it is law, because you are on the floor throwing a temper tantrum.
Do campaign laws allow the President of the United States to use his authority and power to ask foreign leaders to do him a favor and dig up dirt on his political opponents?
 
Old 09-27-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
You are so intent on smearing Biden, that you refuse to actually consider what Trump, by his own admission, did. And yet you attack the Dem party as having no ethics and being fine with corruption. When we know for a fact that Trump actually did freeze Ukraine's aid money, then called the Ukrainian president, and asked for a favor, a political favor that he is actually prohibited by campaign laws from doing. It's not a witch hunt. Trump did do this.

The transcript that you and your fellow anti-trumper here are saying is not real, had the word favor...


Did the actual whistleblower letter have the word favor? No, it did not...


So which are we going by the actual letter or transcript?
 
Old 09-27-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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It is a national security issue, because the integrity of elections are a national security issue. A candidate is prohibited from asking foreign countries for assistance to get elected. The Steele Dossier was solicited by an American company on behalf of Republicans.
What candidate? Biden? Is he on a ballot yet? Been nominated? Oh, he leads " the polls" that are selected propaganda spoon fed to the American people. So he is " hands off" ? Nonsense

Right now he is an American Citizen , like any other. The POTUS , as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer has every right to pursue a foreign country " looking into" past actions , and possible corruption. Especailly if taxpayer money continues to be sent there.

Regardless , the DOJ has stated was not a violation of Election Laws.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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Off of 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand knowledge, who knows? The whistleblower letter clearly stated the information they received from 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand knowledge, had no clue if the people they were receiving the information from were even in the room when the phone call was being conducted....3rd page, 4th paragraph, last sentence in the letter.....
At this point it doesn't matter if the complaint was based on 17-hand knowledge. That became irrelevant when Trump released the memo regarding the transcript of the phone call. That memo verified the gist of the whistle-blower's complaint.
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