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Old 09-25-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Adam Schiff is Tweeting that the whistleblower wants to meet with the House Intelligence Committee and has contacted the acting Director of National Intelligence to arrange it. It could very well be that Trump wants to release the transcript, out of context, to try to control the narrative and claim its a nothingburger and soften the blow when the contents of the complaint is revealed.

We saw this before with Barr lying to the American public about how the Mueller Report's conclusions about Trump were not affected by the DoJ guidelines prohibiting prosecution of the President when the opposite was true.
How is a transcript "out of context"?

 
Old 09-25-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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All of this baseless nonsense about Biden is a sad attempt to distract from the real story, which is that the White House just admitted in writing that the President expressly requested that foreign leader to start a criminal investigation of a political rival and his son. To add to the despotism, Trump even asked that a Ukrainian prosecutor coordinate with Trump's private attorney who had been sent to the Ukraine to "dig up dirt on Joe Biden". It remains to be seen to what extent that request was being tied to the release of military aid.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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Now here's a conspiracy theory for you. What if the whistleblower was actually a Trump plant? With full knowledge that the conversation that was supposedly treasonous was actually benign. Hang that out there for Congress and the American people to react to; and then release the transcript of a benign communication. It's the sort of scheme that would appeal to a manipulator like Trump.

Will be interesting to see how this goes.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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Maybe you can show us were trump pressured him 8 times.....bidens name is only mentioned 3.....

Shhhh, turn on cnn and tell us....
I think I explained this to you earlier...

1. Trump released a partial transcript from 1 (one) call.
2. We do not have the full transcript from that 1 (one) call.
3. The 8 times supposedly occurred over multiple calls, not just one.
4. Because they were to have occurred across several calls, we don't know if the single call in reference was the call that initiated the whistleblower complaint. It could have been about another call entirely.
5. Or it could have been this one call (and others), but since we don't have the full call, we don't know the extent of what was said.
6. Even the partial transcript from the one call we do have still has Trump pressuring Ukraine.
7. Trump is now fighting against the release of the whistleblower complaint, which is not the action of an innocent man. If there was nothing to find, he would be 100% for releasing everything and embarrassing the media and Democrats for assuming guilt.
8. Biden's name needed to only be mentioned once if it was in the context of extortion. You realize that, right?
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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How is a transcript "out of context"?
Technically, it wasn't a transcript but a compendium of notes to try to memorialize the discussion, but putting that aside apparently the whistleblower complaint contains more than just this particular call. Putting this call in context with (for example) an earlier call expressly linking release of the fund to dealing with "corruption" would be significant, as Trump identified "corruption" to include "people like Joe Biden and his son". I'm not claiming that happened - just using it as an example.

This short answer is that the whistleblower complaint has to be disclosed before we know the universe of activity involved, but it appears to go beyond the scope of this one call.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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Now here's a conspiracy theory for you. What if the whistleblower was actually a Trump plant? With full knowledge that the conversation that was supposedly treasonous was actually benign. Hang that out there for Congress and the American people to react to; and then release the transcript of a benign communication. It's the sort of scheme that would appeal to a manipulator like Trump.


Will be interesting to see how this goes.
I was worried that might be the case until they released the memo (what we have now is not a transcript).


After reading the memo, if that is the "best" they could do in their own defense, I do not believe it was ever a "trap" so to speak. One good reason is that if they really did have suspicions about Biden, it would have been more politically advantageous for them to come out much closer to the election. If this was going to be part of their strategy come election time, they would not have wanted to tip their hand this early. Them being forced to do so indicates an attempt at damage control rather than a trap being sprung.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
Now here's a conspiracy theory for you. What if the whistleblower was actually a Trump plant? With full knowledge that the conversation that was supposedly treasonous was actually benign. Hang that out there for Congress and the American people to react to; and then release the transcript of a benign communication. It's the sort of scheme that would appeal to a manipulator like Trump.

Will be interesting to see how this goes.
I think 'fake whistlleblowing' is illegal--probably would be charged.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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How is a transcript "out of context"?
Without the full call, the extent of the conversation regarding Biden is unknown. All we have are basically some notes, which could've been edited before release.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
Now here's a conspiracy theory for you. What if the whistleblower was actually a Trump plant? With full knowledge that the conversation that was supposedly treasonous was actually benign. Hang that out there for Congress and the American people to react to; and then release the transcript of a benign communication. It's the sort of scheme that would appeal to a manipulator like Trump.

Will be interesting to see how this goes.
So funny, because I was chatting this same theory to a friend like an hour ago.

I said the transcript language is so perfectly benign and so much proper legal/rhetorical wiggle room that it feels like an engineered play to draw the Democrats offside for the free 1st Down. Like he and some others sat down and scripted that phone call specifically hoping for this outcome.

The Democrat and left media are so glaringly, stupidly, and remarkably predictable in their gamesmanship, that such a plan isn't really anything too complex to comprehend, even for a gooftard like Trump. They pin their ears back and go HAM to rush he passer on every play, it really feels like he drew up the play to take full advantage of that and get a decent black cloud dropped over the head of the Dem 2020 frontrunner.

The transcript is almost perfectly suited to the purpose, so much so it feels like it cannot be coincidence.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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Nah

https://theweek.com/speedreads/86764...s-nancy-pelosi

The WH really is THAT stupid.
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