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Old 10-08-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by zzzSnorlax View Post
Nope, a certain subset of the population's confusion about the process is not legal justification to require a vote where none is necessary.

A vote is not necessary to start an official impeachment inquiry.
They'll still be on here yelling about a vote after Trump is impeached. That "Vote" will be their new Hillary.

 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:06 AM
 
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The executive branch of the government IS irrelevant to impeachment.

"The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment." < That is from the constitution, tell me where the executive branch is mentioned. Ill wait.
At this point you have to be intentionally misunderstanding and failing to follow along.

You can't say someone is irrelevant when you actively are seeking out their cooperation.

Makes sense right?
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Not according to the executive branch they don't, and they can't prove otherwise without a vote. When two co-equal people have a difference of opinion and there's no evidence one way or the other, you get a stalemate.

Now this stalemate could be easily overcome with a vote, but the Speaker fears a more honest and fair process.
According to the CONSTITUTION they do. The constitution "trumps" whatever powers the executive branch thinks it has.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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At this point you have to be intentionally misunderstanding and failing to follow along.

You can't say someone is irrelevant when you actively are seeking out their cooperation.

Makes sense right?
I can say that the subject of a murder investigation is irrelevant to the details of the process of investigating the murder, so yea - I can say that, actually. The executive branch does not get to dictate impeachment protocols as that right is expressly granted to congress in the Constitution of the United states of America.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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No, that's factually inaccurate. It is disputed by the executive branch of the government....pretty relevant to the process if you wish to have their cooperation. You either clear things up for them with an official vote, or you accept that you can't compel them to cooperate. I know low information people might think otherwise, but it is what it is.
The WH won't cooperate no matter what. Ever. Even if there were votes, etc., the Dems know Trump will never ever cooperate. He will continue to obstruct, deny, deflect and resist. Forget Trump doing anything that is "fair."
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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Not according to the executive branch they don't, and they can't prove otherwise without a vote. When two co-equal people have a difference of opinion and there's no evidence one way or the other, you get a stalemate.

Now this stalemate could be easily overcome with a vote, but the Speaker fears a more honest and fair process.
There will be no honest and fair as far as Trump is concerned. He has thumbed his nose at the Constitution and rule of law since he's been in office. He's not going to start being "honest and fair" now. Pffftttt.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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At this point you have to be intentionally misunderstanding and failing to follow along.

You can't say someone is irrelevant when you actively are seeking out their cooperation.

Makes sense right?
Congress is a coequal branch of government with the Executive, and has oversight authority. They will get cooperation, or they will go to the courts and lock up those who don't comply.

Trump and Company can do this peacefully or painfully. Their choice. It's still amazing that they don't want to willingly come forth and prove their innocence. If there was no wrongdoing, produce the documentation to prove it, accept an apology, and move on.

If there were crimes committed, I understand why no one wants to testify or allow any of the staff to do so.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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Because the fact that an official impeachment inquiry is taking place is being disputed...and without that vote, you can't compel the white house to cooperate....which is allegedly something they want.

It would make no sense to not merely have a vote real quick to clear things up....unless they were afraid of something.
Trump refuses to be compelled by anybody. The Dems don't need to open up yet another avenue for Trump to resist and deflect. They're doing exactly what they are supposed to do under the Constitution. I don't blame them for not wanting to hand over the reigns to involve a mad man. They can eventually get where they need to be without that headache.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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The WH won't cooperate no matter what. Ever. Even if there were votes, etc., the Dems know Trump will never ever cooperate. He will continue to obstruct, deny, deflect and resist. Forget Trump doing anything that is "fair."
That's factually inaccurate. If the vote occurred, the white house would have no alternative but to cooperate. Since the house doesn't want the trappings of a legitimate official impeachment inquiry, they will have no way to compel the white house to cooperate...and no way to charge him with anything if he refuses cooperation.

It's telling how much they fear a legitimate process.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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That's factually inaccurate. If the vote occurred, the white house would have no alternative but to cooperate. Since the house doesn't want the trappings of a legitimate official impeachment inquiry, they will have no way to compel the white house to cooperate...and no way to charge him with anything if he refuses cooperation.

It's telling how much they fear a legitimate process.
Nope, your post is what is factually inaccurate. Holding a vote grants them no more power than they already have. The white house will not cooperate regardless of there being a vote or not.
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