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Old 10-10-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Looks like Trump and Barr are cooking up a scheme to blame Giuliani and his compatriots for the Ukraine debacle.

 
Old 10-10-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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Looks like Trump and Barr are cooking up a scheme to blame Giuliani and his compatriots for the Ukraine debacle.
Cut off the leg to save the body... yea maybe, wouldn't be the first time. I don't see it playing well though, not well at all.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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Geeze, how many more times do we have to list THIS?

Here Are 7 Crimes Trump Might Have Committed in This Ukraine Scandal

1. CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION
2. BRIBERY
3. HONEST SERVICES FRAUD
4. EXTORTION
5. WITNESS INTIMIDATION
6. OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
7. CONSPIRACY
The main word is MIGHT......
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The main word is MIGHT......
That's what the impeachment process is for. Duh.

It's like saying to defend the supposed innocence of an accused murderer, before they even went to court to be tried for murder, "He's not convicted!" Well DUH. That's what the trial is for.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Looks like Trump and Barr are cooking up a scheme to blame Giuliani and his compatriots for the Ukraine debacle.
Has to be. Barr runs SDNY, and he is complicit in the Ukraine deal. They would not have been arrested without his buy in. Add to that Gowdy on board as counsel, and Rudy is due to make an exit in short order.

The question now is, will Rudy go to prison and hope for a pardon, or will he actively try to fight going to prison in the first place by spilling all the beans he has? Things could get really interesting really quickly.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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That's what the impeachment process is for. Duh.

It's like saying to defend the supposed innocence of an accused murderer, before they even went to court to be tried for murder, "He's not convicted!" Well DUH. That's what the trial is for.
Yeah, but in order to get an indictment against an accused murderer, evidence has to be brought before a grand jury with regards to a specific criminal charge. Nothing like that has happened here. It is all made for television lynch mob style harassment campaign. There has not even been the tiniest whiff of due process and the hearings have been conducted behind closed doors.

This has all been promoted based on emotion and a mountain of Democrat left contrived hyper-partisan lies.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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Has to be. Barr runs SDNY, and he is complicit in the Ukraine deal. They would not have been arrested without his buy in. Add to that Gowdy on board as counsel, and Rudy is due to make an exit in short order.

The question now is, will Rudy go to prison and hope for a pardon, or will he actively try to fight going to prison in the first place by spilling all the beans he has? Things could get really interesting really quickly.
I'm amazed at how many people around Trump have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and never turn on him. Makes you wonder if it's the mob mentality or what? I could see this going the same way with Guiliani. Everybody and his mother goes to prison, and Trump's skates free.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Trump's problem is that he participated in that deal. Taking the position that "Rudy made me do it" won't sell well. Watching Rudy swing in the wind will be interesting.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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Yeah, but in order to get an indictment against an accused murderer, evidence has to be brought before a grand jury with regards to a specific criminal charge. Nothing like that has happened here. It is all made for television lynch mob style harassment campaign. There has not even been the tiniest whiff of due process and the hearings have been conducted behind closed doors.

This has all been promoted based on emotion and a mountain of Democrat left contrived hyper-partisan lies.
How do you think they gather the evidence to present at a trial?
An investigation.
What stage are we in right now?
The investigation stage.

Duh, this isn't calculus here it is more like 2 + 2.
 
Old 10-10-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Yeah, but in order to get an indictment against an accused murderer, evidence has to be brought before a grand jury with regards to a specific criminal charge. Nothing like that has happened here. ..
That's exactly what they're working on now.

Do you not realize that gathering evidence of a crime takes time?

In this case the Grand Jury is the House of Representatives, sort-of.
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