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All these "NGOs" in Ukraine are paid with American money, that are tied to Soros/Dem party.
I already pointed to you before that the very source of corruption in Ukraine goes back to the West ( as in funds moved outside of the country, where they become legitimate, with the help of the well-paid lawyers.) So pointing at some prosecutor general as the "source of the corruption in Ukraine" as it was in Biden's/Shokin case doesn't make much sense, unless of course Biden had bullet-proof case that it was Shokin ( while still in capacity of prosecutor's deputy back in 2014,) that sent to London the letter clearing Burisma of any wrongdoings.
If not - everything goes back to the square one; Biden demanded to fire Shokin, because he was still investigating Burisma in 2015, even when the case against it has been closed in London.
This is how the NYT characterized the Shokin removal (2016, after the Biden visit and immediately following the Ukrainian Parliament's vote to oust him):
Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption. ...
The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. ...
As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
It wasn't on Biden to pull a RudyG and put together his own sheaf of evidence. He only need follow the playbook that Obama had given him to tie the US demand to fire Shokin to the loan guarantee package.
This is how the NYT characterized the Shokin removal (2016, after the Biden visit and immediately following the Ukrainian Parliament's vote to oust him):
Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption. ...
The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. ...
As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
It wasn't on Biden to pull a RudyG and put together his own sheaf of evidence. He only need follow the playbook that Obama had given him to tie the US demand to fire Shokin to the loan guarantee package.
This New York article sounds like typical worthless piece of propaganda.
"The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite."
Yeah right.
And then Biden's own son joins this "venal and entrenched elite" himself.
( Or who do you think Zlochevsky, owner of Burisma is?)
Ridiculous.
This New York article sounds like typical worthless piece of propaganda.
"The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite."
Yeah right.
And then Biden's own son joins this "venal and entrenched elite" himself.
( Or who do you think Zlochevsky, owner of Burisma is?)
Ridiculous.
No one denies Burisma wanted Hunter Biden for his last name. Or that Hunter Biden's employment history doesn't provide campaign fodder. This even with Ivanka and Jared in the WH.
No one denies either that Zlochevsky was corrupt. But the period covered by the charges against Zlockevsky / Burisma were two years before Hunter took that Board of Director seat. He was neither personally involved nor had any oversight responsibility as a member of the Board.
RudyG doesn't appear to have a conspiracy theory HOW Joe Biden made out. Or I've missed it. Instead there's talk of "crime families" and charges that Joe somehow made millions. The best Rudy and Trump can do is allege Joe Biden corruption in connection with the Shokin firing.
The US Embassy is reported to have been deeply involved in the decision process on Shokin - including the decision to tie his removal to the loan guarantees. The US ambassador who was ousted in May - Marie Yovanovitch - soon testifies to Congress. I don't know if her predecessor - Greg Pyatt - is on the witness list.
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So why would Biden care so much about a corrupt prosecuter in Ukraine?
Unless he had a personal reason to.........
Could you imagine if a foreign leader attempted to do the same thing and pressure or coerce America into firing a prosecutor that they claimed was "corrupt"?
Would you be ok with that?
Does a VP have the power to withhold foreign aid? I don't believe so. Any evidence to the contrary?
Just to clarify...Biden can do whatever he wants, legal or not, as long as he runs against Trump?
Nope, absolutely not. NO ONE should be above the law.
Just to clarify... the President feeling someone is "corrupt" is enough evidence to justify opening an investigation that spans multiple countries, in your eyes?
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