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Complete baloney! The Dems want Warren to win the nomination - that is why she has recently become the FRONTRUNNER! We're happy about it. We love Bernie too, but we know his recent heart-attack and hospitalization has hurt his chances due to his advanced age - he and Biden have elect ability issues. Warren does not.
Wait... What?... LYING about one's RACE to glean prime Ivy League minority faculty positions somehow doesn't create an electability issue? In WHO'S world?
Need I remind you that Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who pretended to be Black, lost BOTH her college prof gig and her NAACP leadership position as a consequence when she was exposed as a fraud?
Wait... What?... LYING about one's RACE to glean prime Ivy League minority faculty positions somehow doesn't create an electability issue? In WHO'S world?
How many times do facts need to be presented to you before you stop lying?
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Hmmm... Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who pretended to be Black wasn't a nothing burger. She lost her gig as a college prof and also lost her leadership position in the NAACP because of her lies. So, are you saying that Native Americans deserve less respect than Blacks on issues that regard their heritage?
First, what does Dolezal have to do with Warren? The two are not the same. Dolezal tanned, changed her hair, claimed to be full blooded African American and used it to go to a historically black college and later to head a local chapter of the NAACP.
Warren, who never tried to change her appearance or claim she was anywhere near full blooded Native American only went off what her family told her, that she might have had one NA relative; and did not get any benefit from it. She was not an affirmative action hire as you guys like to claim, and got to where she is on merit.
The two are apple's and orange's to the tenth degree
Hmmm... Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who pretended to be Black wasn't a nothing burger. She lost her gig as a college prof and also lost her leadership position in the NAACP because of her lies. So, are you saying that Native Americans deserve less respect than Blacks on issues that regard their heritage?
Completely different. Rachel Dolezal didn't base her claims on family stories, she made them up. The apparent truth in her case completely negates her claim. Dolezal's family dynamics are complicated and sticky. She was also aware of her subterfuge, as she had asked her brother not to out her.
If you want to talk about Warren's claim of Native American heritage, her family mythology supported it--to the degree that distant relatives had the same information. It is plausible also to have Native American heritage that is NOT on any tribal roll. My husband does. It's relatively common. So even if the DNA test didn't support the claim, it was a sincerely held belief in the family.
In my own family, we have always known we are Italian--my grandmother had an Italian name, her parents, grandparents, etc., had Italian names, identified their origin as Italy, spoke Italian. Geographically, they lived in Austria. So, is it a lie if I say I have Italian heritage? Of course not. And when I applied for a scholarship based on that heritage, it wasn't a lie. I have been told for years that part of our family came from Italy. And, my DNA does support that.
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I'm center slight left. No, it is a big deal. She gamed the system for decades. It shows someone's character. She knew that she's wasn't Native American, her shtick about "oh, it was stories handed down in the family" Give me a break. I buy that argument to a degree, but not enough to where she's using it on government forms and trying to claim minority status. There has be something more than, Oh, that's just what my family told me nonsense. She's a typical lying ass politician.
She never got any benefit from it. Never received affirmative action, she got where she is by skill and merit alone
Completely different. Rachel Dolezal didn't base her claims on family stories, she made them up.
There's no evidence whatsoever that Warren didn't "make up" her own family stories, as well. Regarding her grandparents supposed "elopement" due to bigotry? WHY was the wedding reception reported by the local newspaper if the eloped marriage was supposed to be such a "secret?"
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