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Old 10-09-2019, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Actually his disability is readily visible and vaccines could kill him. I do think this is a pretty valid reason for him to not get them. His neurologist certainly agrees.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would demand he be vaccinated.

They are saying, "No vaccine, no school."

Two very different messages.

I see both sides of the issue. Tough choices.

 
Old 10-09-2019, 04:26 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Infant and child mortality is way down from past generations. Modern medicine is able to save many more who in the past would have been subject to herd thinning via Darwin's rule. Many are surviving with disabilities that in the past would have killed them young. That's good. But many who do survive as such are desired by their parents to be mainstreamed and told they're perfectly normal and entitled to the same life as any able-bodied person, even at the expense of others. This kid is disabled. It's not readily visible, but he certainly is. I'm of the opinion that the rule should be 'no vaccine, no school'. Period. No exceptions due to adherence to a particular mythology, the ancient writings of invisible sky friends, or moral indignation instigated by ex-strippers.

Home schooling is the option here. Not private school as there is no right to endanger other students anywhere at any time due to a loss at the genetic roulette wheel.

Sorry, kid.
Wow. Just wow. I do, as a science person, get your survival of the fittest point, but still, Dude........

At any rate, first of all, private schools can do what they want, that is one of the advantages of being private. However, I do think they have an obligation to make sure all parents are truly aware of the risks due to the loss of herd immunity.

Second, it is not vaccinated students who need to worry about unvaccinated students. Who has to worry about unvaccinated students are other unvaccinated individuals. The reason the number of people who are unvaccinated needs to be limited is the concept that the unvaccinated person can be protected from being exposed to the disease since the vaccine stops everyone around them from getting the disease and therefore prevents them having germs to share. This is what is known as herd immunity. It’s not that being surround by vaccinated people can stop an unvaccinated person from getting a disease if they are exposed to it, it’s that it prevents the unvaccinated person from being exposed to the disease in the first place. There are certain people who can’t medically take vaccines, for them the certain risk to their health from the vaccine outweighs the potential, though probably more dangerous if it happens, risk of catching the disease. Those who can’t be vaccinated for medical reason are also those most likely to succumb to the ravages of the disease compared to the average person.

Now, as to the folks without legitimate medical reasons to not get vaccines, you and I can agree.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:34 AM
 
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Why would a parent want a child in public school with such extreme disorders? They want strangers looking ater him and to medically intervene should an emergency arrive?
First of all public schools have RN's on duty. Do you think this is only for minor accidents in school? There are children with both severe physical and mental disabilities in public schools. The nurses have their medical histories and are trained to administer to them in an emergency.

They are required by federal law to receive special services. They cannot be denied this. The school would have to send teachers to this boy's house to provide these services to him. If nothing else, this will cost the state a lot more money.

The problem NY is having is that they rushed this exemption elimination through and did not have enough time to consider how they would deal with Special Ed Students with IEP's.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 05:44 AM
 
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He is being discriminated against because of his disability. I hope the parents take this to court.
Absolutely, especially given that fact that he already had been granted a medical exemption.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 05:54 AM
 
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Why do parents of children on chemo want their kid in school where the air & every surface is literally crawling with germs; most for which there are no vaccines?

Keep THOSE kids home.
That is a situation that I have never understood. Severely immunocompromised kids sent to public school seems like medical negligence.

I wonder what will happen when parents of chemo kids start asking for exemptions. My guess is that those kids will be rubber stamped through with no problem. Otherwise, we probably would have heard of a few cases already. This can't be the first case that has gone through.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 06:21 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Did a brief check on the doctor. Did not find any ties to various anti vax groups.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 06:28 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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That’s the end game with the vaccine push. Brave new world. What’s good for the gander. If we need to break a few eggs in the process, so be it.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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I don't think anyone in their right mind would demand he be vaccinated.

They are saying, "No vaccine, no school."

Two very different messages.

I see both sides of the issue. Tough choices.
If no one in their right mind would demand that he be vaccinated then the school district and the state health department would allow him a medical exemption due to his condition that his neurologist requested the exemption for. A medical exemption which should be allowed under NY state law. Instead they are denying him his right to a public education because he refuses to get vaccinated due to a very serious health condition.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 06:43 AM
 
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If no one in their right mind would demand that he be vaccinated then the school district and the state health department would allow him a medical exemption due to his condition that his neurologist requested the exemption for. A medical exemption which should be allowed under NY state law. Instead they are denying him his right to a public education because he refuses to get vaccinated due to a very serious health condition.
Exactly.

Medical exemptions are not for: "I don't want to."

They are for: "I can't." And this child can't.

And I wonder how many other cases that the NYS Dept of Health has reviewed.
 
Old 10-09-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I honestly cannot believe there are grown adults here that support a school having the right to override a physician on the medical needs of a child.

I mean, a child has more of a right to a free, public education than you have to a job, or housing, or public transportation. Do you guys really think this will stop with minors?

Do you know what your titers are? You can transmit disease too.

Do you support your landlord or HOA having the ability to override you & your doctor's medical decisions? Would each & every one of you be willing to have your titers checked, to receive the flu vaccine every year; even if you've had a bad reaction; under threat of losing your job, VA benefits, health insurance, etc ...?

Do you know that there is a good possibility that if you are over the age of 40; that your immunity from your own childhood vaccines has waned & you would have to be re-immunized all over again? Do you even know how many vaccines you would have to get; even if your doctor said that wasn't necessary?
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