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Erdogan to maintain power affiliated himself with an anti-Kurdish party and now needs results. Many of the folks who normally would be interested in this thread are absent-in-action. IMHO this move was a mistake with Trump in way in over his head.
But it would be kinda cool to move beyond that to a discussion that reflects real complexities. Americans are so U.S focused (on our politics) that we ignore the internal workings of these countries. And that influences decisions made in different places at different times.
It's real easy to pronounce it way too complicated then revert to a pre-WW2 isolationism. Change (be it nuclear weapons or the internet or international travel or the global economy) doesn't allow that IMHO. Another era. It may well be time for a realignment of the US role that developed post-WW2. It has to be implemented with some - well, not like this.
What...Americans died? His JOB is to protect American citizens. Not the Kurds. Not the Iraqis. Not Turkey. Not, for that matter, Saudis. Bring our troops home, let the savages deal with their own mess.
What...Americans died? His JOB is to protect American citizens. Not the Kurds. Not the Iraqis. Not Turkey. Not, for that matter, Saudis. Bring our troops home, let the savages deal with their own mess.
When your allies fight and kill your enemies bent on killing Americans they save American lives. When those allies are killed Americans will be killed later as their is no one else to kill your enemies, Understand ?
The quote context appears to be Trump's irritation that EU allies refused to repatriate ISIS fighters. I took it to mean ... you wouldn't do what I wanted ... and now this the result.
Trump obsesses over not 'being taken advantage of.' Not being the sucker. IMHO this appears to have influenced him. He doesn't want the United States to keeping funding the Kurds to babysit ISIS. Problem is ... what else?
Other nations did not want to repatriate foreign nationals due to fears jihadism would spread locally. That is exactly what happened in the prison camps of Iraq where ISIS extremism developed. In addition, many of the ISIS fighters are Syrian and maybe Iraqi. No country to repatriate them to.
About 1000 of the 12 000 terrorists were foreign, so vast majority are from the area.
Who wants new wars. Not a war hawk in sight these days with even John Bolton vanished.
What is so stunning about this thread is that it's pretty damn easy to say 'no new wars' but then to wave away that doesn't mean 'no new problems.' It's pretty easy to characterize American interventions as disastrous. American foreign policy more often than not is a joke reflecting some politician's vainglorious effort for a personal legacy or U.S. economic interests.
None of that means there aren't some big, bad players out there that somebody - maybe not you personally - might stumble across. Foreign policy is pretty easy to criticize on the macro level. What about close up?
Close up is blowing another human being to pieces. The U.S. may be 'responsible' because:
Americans pull the trigger deliberately - Americans pull the trigger accidentally - Americans sell the trigger - Americans organize up the trigger - or Americans look away when the trigger is pulled.
This country cannot be a world policeman. Millions have died in the Congo. Countries need sort out their own sordid politics. This is not THAT.
This is Americans allowing for a surrogate trigger - not even for US defense but arguably in the end against it.
The looking away not to mention the utter stupidity counts as crap in my book. There is a reason Americans tend to be hated in parts of the world. This is why. Stupid and self-centered and greedy and in the end, brutal.
you basically described humanity as a whole.... not just Americans
Trump is even more pathetic than I previously thought, and I say this as someone who thought he was a complete idiot.
These people are being raped, tortured an murdered as a direct result of Trumps actions, and there is no excuse for it.
If we had to pull out, we could have arranged for a solution as opposed to just leaving these people to be mauled by a pack of hyenas.
Shameful!!!
what "solution" would that be? The middle east "tribes" have been at each others throats for Thousands of years...……..and will be with or without our "help"
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