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one more time. Slowly. The American people will not tolerate us losing lives helping an ally. At least not long enough to do them any good. Its not Trump...….. its the American people.
Stunned? not very much. After I watched the fall of Saigon in 1975...…….nothing "stuns" me anymore......
So what are you and the "American People" doing about 3,000 troops and massive assets doing in Saudi Arabia?
Does that somehow not count?
Or, as I asked above, is it automatically the Right Thing if Trump does it?
And with 60,000 American dead in Vietnam, 50k under LBJ alone, we should have stayed??
35K under LBJ. Just saying.......
That was a conflict that had no rhyme or reason and many (maybe most) soldiers fighting there after about 1967 realized that.
It was all part of the Cold War, a "conflict" that we assigned more weight to than need be. Russia, the prime leader, fell apart - although I would suggest they pose a bigger threat to the world today due to the level playing field of cyberwar and their inherent lack of any decent foundation.
We sorta have to go back to the Military Industrial Complex, of which Vietnam was perhaps the greatest example. Lots of money made. Until Iraq I thought we had learned a lesson....but I guess the lesson isn't over yet.
So - if Trump pulls those SA troops and missiles and planes next week, that will also be the right move.....it's truly amazing. It's right for him to leave our allies and leave those keeping ISIS jailed and in check, but it's fine and dandy to give nuke tech and 3,000 (for starters) active troops to the Saudis (in addition to the many thousands probably already there keeping the weapons up and training).
that's the point your missing. the public opinion in this country is too selfish to allow us to "defend" someone like the kurds. We did not stand up for the south Vietnamese. They could very well have fought off the North in 1975 with the aid we had promised. There were many south Vietnamese units who literally fought until they were out of ammunition. This thing with the kurds is not as bad. They have no "country" to defend,and we made no promises I am aware of.
I honestly do not know how to resolve these questions. Some interventions are warranted. American citizens under attack. Others harder to justify for I grasp the U.S. cannot become the resource of last resort. Even so, the decision to not intervene in Rwanda was second-guessed.
As for the Kurds, we set up the Safe Zone in August and guaranteed if they moved back from the border we would secure that Zone. The Kurds did, pulling down defensive lines. There were joint US-Turkish patrols beginning about two weeks ago conducted by the 50-100 U.S. troops. According to Esper, working well.
DD and I encountered Syrian refugees in Bosnia last year, sleeping in railway stations. Exhausted, hungry they didn't ask for much. Actually they asked for nothing. We organized up some food.
That was a conflict that had no rhyme or reason and many (maybe most) soldiers fighting there after about 1967 realized that.
It was all part of the Cold War, a "conflict" that we assigned more weight to than need be. Russia, the prime leader, fell apart - although I would suggest they pose a bigger threat to the world today due to the level playing field of cyberwar and their inherent lack of any decent foundation.
We sorta have to go back to the Military Industrial Complex, of which Vietnam was perhaps the greatest example. Lots of money made. Until Iraq I thought we had learned a lesson....but I guess the lesson isn't over yet.
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen. I know you Obama supporters seen to always leave his screw ups off the list
So - if Trump pulls those SA troops and missiles and planes next week, that will also be the right move.....it's truly amazing. It's right for him to leave our allies and leave those keeping ISIS jailed and in check, but it's fine and dandy to give nuke tech and 3,000 (for starters) active troops to the Saudis (in addition to the many thousands probably already there keeping the weapons up and training).
This can't end well.
The Pentagon was unable to move about five dozen “high value” Islamic State detainees from Kurdish-run jails. According to two U.S. officials, the U.S. military ran out of time before having to pull back. (NYT)
Chris Wallace stated today on Fox News there are reports of ISIS-affiliates on road. Esper (his guest) did not disagree, saying the situation was very difficult.
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Kurds reach deal with Syrian Army
