America's Real Divide Isn't Left VS Right (ethical, legal, borders)
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There are a few RINOs who are oligarchs. However, the vast majority of the oligarchs are dems (Gates, Bezos, Buffet, Zuckerberg).
The left wants a slave state, in which an "enlightened few" preside over a large peasant class which is dependent upon them for survival.
Thank you. Not only this, but a large % of the oligarchs are not only dems but control most of the media and are also entities that make vast amounts of money via globalization, which is why they don't like Trump.
Bernie used to be all about this, inequality being an up-down thing, a true leftist of the old stripe. I respected him for that, even though I am not a leftist myself.
Then he got "woke", and now is just another pandering idiot like the rest of the new, New left.
So you've admitted that you've just stopped paying attention to him then, because he's literally running on the exact same thing he always has. There's been absolutely no diversion from the message that he's championed for decades. None at all.
No matter what mainstream media personality tells you, no matter what pharma exec mouths off hot air. His record is there for all to see, and it's consistent. Are you sure you're not talking about Liz warren?
Thanks. I like Reich. But I think that it's also true that Republicans lean toward oligarchy and Democrats lean toward, well, democracy.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
There are a few RINOs who are oligarchs. However, the vast majority of the oligarchs are dems (Gates, Bezos, Buffet, Zuckerberg).
The left wants a slave state, in which an "enlightened few" preside over a large peasant class which is dependent upon them for survival.
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Originally Posted by rkcarguy
Thank you. Not only this, but a large % of the oligarchs are not only dems but control most of the media and are also entities that make vast amounts of money via globalization, which is why they don't like Trump.
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Originally Posted by jeffrow1
Agree, but I would imagine it is a pretty even distribution between R & D.
I am not sure how many are Republicans or how many are Democrats...I think both probably to some degree...that is if they even care about the ideology or Politics of it at all. It may be all about just power and Money, nothing else.
There is one time that I do know that Donald Trump told the absolute truth, it was during the 2016 Presidential debates, when one of his GOP Opponents pointed out that Trump had donated to the Hillary Clinton campaign in the past. Trump admitted it, and said that he always donates to both sides, so whoever is elected might feel beholden to him or feel they owe a favor to him. Didn't he say he was doing us a favor by telling us this, because that is how it works? Something like that, I can't recall the exact wording right now.
Maybe in the end, that is how it tends to work....I mean I wonder do they really care about the Ideological differences or Partisan politics involved at all. Maybe some do, some don't.
Maybe that is just a smoke screen.
I am not sure how many are Republicans or how many are Democrats...I think both probably to some degree...that is if they even care about the ideology or Politics of it at all. It may be all about just power and Money, nothing else.
There is one time that I do know that Donald Trump told the absolute truth, it was during the 2016 Presidential debates, when one of his GOP Opponents pointed out that Trump had donated to the Hillary Clinton campaign in the past. Trump admitted it, and said that he always donates to both sides, so whoever is elected might feel beholden to him or feel they owe a favor to him. Didn't he say he was doing us a favor by telling us this, because that is how it works? Something like that, I can't recall the exact wording right now.
Maybe in the end, that is how it tends to work....I mean I wonder do they really care about the Ideological differences or Partisan politics involved at all. Maybe some do, some don't.
Maybe that is just a smoke screen.
I believe you hit the nail on the head. Very wealthy people are not ideologues in the sense average person who follows politics is. With them is is always about the money and power. Democrat vs republican to them is akin to Protestant vs Catholic. Thats why the few true ideologues like Koch or Soros stand out so much.
Talking to people? Body bag counts. Seeing rape, robbery, murder firsthand.
Word gets out.
Oh, so it's just random personal anecdotal evidence. You know, when I try that, at least I'm straight-forward enough to say "In my experience..." or "It seems to me..."
Number of voters who vote for the non-authoritarian candidate in a given election: <1%
Number of non-authoritarians who have ever held office: <0.0001%
Number of elected officials who have actually reduced the size, scope, cost and meddling of their level of government, anywhere, ever: <0.0001%
Number of laws totally repealed, NOT REPLACED, divided by the number of existing laws that should be repealed and NOT REPLACED: <0.0001%
I could keep going, but you should already get the point. Government does nothing but grow, consume, destroy, etc. And every time voters have a chance...they agree to make it bigger, have it consume more and have it destroy more. Want to see Republicans and Democrats lock arms like a brotherly phalanx, then simply suggest cutting Mediwelfare, Socialist Security or Department of Corporate Welfare...err...Defense by 10% from last year. You'll find out quickly that 99% is the rounded, generous number. It's more like 99.99...%, but No_Recess was being polite.
Yeah, with you what it's really about is producers vs moochers.
Agree, but I would imagine it is a pretty even distribution between R & D.
For that group there is no distribution. They own both wholly.
The party differences are only shown in issues the ubermensch do not care about.
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