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Old 10-16-2019, 06:46 PM
 
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It's been quoted in multiple articles.
Including Air Force Times.

 
Old 10-16-2019, 10:47 PM
 
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The fissile material was removed. It is a modular design.
I'd ask for a cite, but you don't roll like that, so: No, it wasn't removed, and yes, it's a modular design but that doesn't extend to the warhead. Where do you guys get those wild notions? Think.

A complete B61 - including the physics package - weighs 700 pounds. They're small, and neat, and very, very easy to move. What conceivable advantage would there be to "removing the fissile material"? Hey, look - a nuke that can't go boom. All the disadvantages of handling a nuke, but without the advantage of having it on hand when you might need it.

The entire idea behind the WS3 vault is to have the nuke and the aircraft in the same shelter for readiness reasons. Having to futz around with transporting "fissile material" would negate that - that is, if the fissile material could be removed and/or replaced in the field, which it can't.

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Old 10-16-2019, 10:48 PM
 
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So do liberals still want to admit NATO "ally" Turkey to the EU?
 
Old 10-16-2019, 10:59 PM
 
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I was in the Navy when Bush Sr ordered all tactical nukes off tactical bases and warships.
That's nice, but it seems your CO dumbed it down a bit - gee, one wonders why. GHW did not remove the B61s from the inventory. Christ, the WS3 vaults for storing tactical nuclear weapons were approved during his administration.

I don't care how many heads you scrubbed, you're wrong.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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There is nothing new in a NATO member attacking other countries.

The Russian missiles could be another story. Are there rules saying you can't buy weapons from Russia?

I don't know. A member state has never been kicked out, but I suppose there must be a way to do it if it becomes necessary.
There are no issues with NATO member nations using Russian weapons systems. Heck, the Germans still use the Russian Mig 29 fighter jets they inherited when East and West Germany became a single country back in 1989/90. As well as several other Eastern European countries like Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria and Romania who's main weapon's systems, both land and air are of Russian designs.

The problem with Turkey buying a Russian top of the line Air Defense Missile system is that Turkey also wants to buy the American top of the line Air Superiority F-35 Stealth jet fighter. For good reasons, we fear that Turkey might "share" with the Russians the strengths and weaknesses of the F-35 fighter... To improve the effectiveness of that Russain Air Defense Missile system since Turkey has vaguely threatened Israel several times in the recent past. And Israel will also be buying the F-35 jet too.

Also, Iran uses that same Russian missile system and they, the Iranians, would love to know how to lock in on radar our F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters for a missile launch..

It's not only the United States, but the European Union has several issues with Turkey as well AND Turkey has issues with the EU since they're not interested in allowing Turkey to join the EU.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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Who in the world ever thought having Turkey in NATO was a good idea? All these career politicians whether they be in the DoD or Congress are seriously stupid and need to go.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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To date the United States of America never had a traitor as president. We live in the era of Trump.
Maybe he'll just gift them.


Sure about that?

Spying on the opposing party's campaign during a presidential election sure does seem traitorous to me.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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I'd ask for a cite, but you don't roll like that, so: No, it wasn't removed, and yes, it's a modular design but that doesn't extend to the warhead. Where do you guys get those wild notions? Think.

A complete B61 - including the physics package - weighs 700 pounds. They're small, and neat, and very, very easy to move. What conceivable advantage would there be to "removing the fissile material"? Hey, look - a nuke that can't go boom. All the disadvantages of handling a nuke, but without the advantage of having it on hand when you might need it.

The entire idea behind the WS3 vault is to have the nuke and the aircraft in the same shelter for readiness reasons. Having to futz around with transporting "fissile material" would negate that - that is, if the fissile material could be removed and/or replaced in the field, which it can't.
Yes it can. The core can be removed. The triggers can be removed.

Ask any Military member and they will say “cannot confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons”.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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Who in the world ever thought having Turkey in NATO was a good idea? All these career politicians whether they be in the DoD or Congress are seriously stupid and need to go.
Turkey is an enemy of the EU, much like Mexico is an enemy of the United States. Threatening to flood it with refugees. Please.
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