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Old 04-24-2008, 12:05 PM
 
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If you can afford it, go for it, but let's not kid ourselves about how our gas money finances the governments of Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc...
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Ok then. I don't think I did. But please do explain how on earth a family with 4 kids can get around as a family at the same in a car that holds only 5 people unless of course Dad is not around. And if thats the case.. thats ashame, but it should have been mentioned. If its not the case then I am very confused. I am also already done with this post.

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Gosh I don't know but there are billions (literally) of people who manage not to consume so much. How about a budget. We'll allocate to you to average of what the highest gasoline consuming country in Western Europe consumers, per capita. You then have to find a way to make your budget stretch, like any good homeowner. OK?







Great you get 100 gallons per person --600 gallons per year for your family of six, including your husband's commute. So the two of you get about 12 gallons per week to split. Make the best of it. All of Western Europe does and they don't seem deprived.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:27 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine FL
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Note to self: don't vote for rlchurch for president.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Great you get 100 gallons per person --600 gallons per year for your family of six, including your husband's commute. So the two of you get about 12 gallons per week to split. Make the best of it. All of Western Europe does and they don't seem deprived.
We are not Europe. Nor do we have to conform to what they do in other countries.

Our lifestyles are different than Europe. Distances traveled are different than Europe.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Foothills of Colorado
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Most mothers with 4 kids on this planet don't have minivans and SUVs. It's your lifestyle, don't blame children.
Most mothers with 4 kids on this planet don't have big brother telling them to put them all in seat belts and car seats.

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Gosh I don't know but there are billions (literally) of people who manage not to consume so much. How about a budget. We'll allocate to you to average of what the highest gasoline consuming country in Western Europe consumers, per capita. You then have to find a way to make your budget stretch, like any good homeowner. OK?







Great you get 100 gallons per person --600 gallons per year for your family of six, including your husband's commute. So the two of you get about 12 gallons per week to split. Make the best of it. All of Western Europe does and they don't seem deprived.
Billions don't consume because they don't have.... are you advocating poverty?

If your farm is 85 miles from town, how will you get the seed you need to feed the world with 12 gallons a week?

If you work 30 miles 1 direction and your spouse works 30 miles in the opposite direction... same question... and try to find a house that will lower your commute time then. I know.....Government can tell the employers to move their factories closer to their "poor workers"
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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We are not Europe. Nor do we have to conform to what they do in other countries.

Our lifestyles are different than Europe. Distances traveled are different than Europe.
Changing our lifestyle to something more realistic is what we are talking about.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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If your farm is 85 miles from town, how will you get the seed you need to feed the world with 12 gallons a week?

If you work 30 miles 1 direction and your spouse works 30 miles in the opposite direction... same question... and try to find a house that will lower your commute time then. I know.....Government can tell the employers to move their factories closer to their "poor workers"
Live on the farm. Adjust your life to the realities of less fuel.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Changing our lifestyle to something more realistic is what we are talking about.
Not going to happen -

Several examples: How many Motorhomes are in Europe? How about Travel trailers? How about recreational Boats? Are you suggesting that everyone who has one of these get rid of them? Assuming you are suggesting same - then, what about the massive unemployment from all those industries now shut down?

And, how do you propose changing the driving distances - you know - those who live 80 miles from a town - often they are farming so don't even suggest they move closer

Etc
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Live on the farm. Adjust your life to the realities of less fuel.
Great - like not bringing the crops to market - yeah - that will do it

Face it Bubba - you ain't thinkin' rationally -
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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How about allowing oil companies to drill? How about the pursuit of nuclear power and other alternative sources?
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