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Old 04-29-2008, 12:50 AM
 
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Another point - everyone is appalled at the FLDS church marrying girls...but no one blinks at the sexualization of these "children" in mainstream society. Take a look at the clothes in stores that 14-16 year old girls shop in, remember Britney Spears at age 16? So why is sexualizing girls as young as 14 OK, but it's not OK when they marry at 15 or 16?

I have no clue what your agenda is, but I thank God that there are enough people who aren't turning a blind eye to rampant statutory rape and abuse. As far as comparing that with the "sexualization" of children in mainstream society via clothing, that is a far, far stretch. Again, thank God that common sense is prevailing here and that people are willing to say that "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck." This means that all of those underage girls at the compound, all of them that are currently pregnant or have already had babies, did not get impregnated by the holy spirit; rather, these are cases of statutory rape, and thereby will be prosecuted under the laws of Texas.
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Old 04-29-2008, 03:14 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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If you do not "tolerate" insults and "hate mongering" then, you DO NOT tolerate free speech

You tolerate "filtered" speech. Or, "Limited" speech
In the Netherlands we are free to say what we want. There is only a fee to insulting people and hatemongering.

It is just an illusion to believe that you can say anything you want in America.
Even this board already is proof that you aren't free to say certain words, so claiming that you are freer to express yourself in America than in the Netherlands already is an illusion.
Luckily we also do not allow hatemongering fascistic organisations like the KKK and such in Holland.

What I'm trying to say is that there can be no freedom if it doesn't have its limitation.
You will always be responsible for the actions you take.

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Old 04-29-2008, 04:40 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Another point - everyone is appalled at the FLDS church marrying girls...but no one blinks at the sexualization of these "children" in mainstream society. Take a look at the clothes in stores that 14-16 year old girls shop in, remember Britney Spears at age 16? So why is sexualizing girls as young as 14 OK, but it's not OK when they marry at 15 or 16?

I've said it before, I'll say it again. There was a time when if a girl was NOT married by the time she was 18, she was an old maid...destined to be a spinster. Both Loretta Lynn and Jerry Lee Lewis' wife married young.

The problem is that our society isn't recognizing the maturity of today's children! Children are capable of great maturity, even at a young age--IF they are permitted to do so.
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:03 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The problem is that our society isn't recognizing the maturity of today's children! Children are capable of great maturity, even at a young age--IF they are permitted to do so.
The thing is that never before has the commercialisation of seeing woman and girls as just sex-objects been so generally accepted as in this new century.
We are pretty tolerant in Holland when it comes to sex but even we have grown 'tired' from the constant pornofication of (young) girls through our (modern) media.
It has become socially accepted that you can buy sex-toys ( like condoms, dildos and porn DVDs) in our petrol stations and local chemists.
We only complain that these sex attributes should not be placed so that children can see them right away.
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Another point - everyone is appalled at the FLDS church marrying girls...but no one blinks at the sexualization of these "children" in mainstream society. Take a look at the clothes in stores that 14-16 year old girls shop in, remember Britney Spears at age 16? So why is sexualizing girls as young as 14 OK, but it's not OK when they marry at 15 or 16?

I believe there are a great many folks that more than blink at the sexualization of children. As far as the clothing and "role models" we are free to choose not to participate in such. I am applled because 1) its not legal to marry at 14 and 15 yrs old anymore and it is not legal to have more than one spouse at a time 2) in the FLDS, except for the first marriage these are not legal marriages and 3 its my understanding these girls dont choose to "marry" these men.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Oh, certainly. It began when interracial marriages became acceptable--that opened the door, and we've been riding the slippery slope as a result. Recognition for even more immoral behavior has been sought ever since.

[/sarcasm]
If you can't see the difference between interracial marriage involving a man and a woman and the mockery of marriage which is the union of two men or two women, your disability would seem to involve willful blindness in addition to any other idiosyncrasies which inhabit you.

[amused tolerance ]
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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If you can't see the difference between interracial marriage involving a man and a woman and the mockery of marriage which is the union of two men or two women, your disability would seem to involve willful blindness in addition to any other idiosyncrasies which inhabit you.

[amused tolerance ]
If you can't see the obvious parallels between the two situations, you're just being willfully ignorant. And next time you try to pretend that you aren't a homophobe and I'm around this forum, I'll remind you of how you so eloquently referred to same-sex unions as "mockeries" of marriage. Like that "random combination of letters and numbers username" person last night, you really can't substantiate your viewpoint with anything other than unfounded prejudices.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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These men kept thier childern as slaves and treated them as slaves. I am personally completely intolerant of slavers. Completely! These adults have to be investigated for leads to similar compounds and all of them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Federal, State and local law.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I have no clue what your agenda is, but I thank God that there are enough people who aren't turning a blind eye to rampant statutory rape and abuse. As far as comparing that with the "sexualization" of children in mainstream society via clothing, that is a far, far stretch. Again, thank God that common sense is prevailing here and that people are willing to say that "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck." This means that all of those underage girls at the compound, all of them that are currently pregnant or have already had babies, did not get impregnated by the holy spirit; rather, these are cases of statutory rape, and thereby will be prosecuted under the laws of Texas.
I have no agenda here other than recognizing infringments on liberty by the government, it is obvious that you harbor extreme animosity towards these people.

What you fail to see is that not all the underage girls were pregnant, not all the underage girls were married, yet all the children were removed. This is a repeat of the raid that took place against this religion in the 1950's.

I was merely pointing out the sexualization of children in mainstream society and the intolerance of when these "children" are married or have babies in a culture different than our own. So, in mainstream society it's acceptable to have girls this age running around having sex and dressing like whores but when they have children in the FLDS church it's "wrong" and "systemic abuse". Unless these girls who choose to be a part of the FLDS come out and state that they were forced to marry and were raped then how are we to know they didn't willingly comply with their culture, just as women do in cultures all over the world?
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. There was a time when if a girl was NOT married by the time she was 18, she was an old maid...destined to be a spinster. Both Loretta Lynn and Jerry Lee Lewis' wife married young.

The problem is that our society isn't recognizing the maturity of today's children! Children are capable of great maturity, even at a young age--IF they are permitted to do so.
I agree, society treats teenagers and even college-age adults like they are children...and doesn't demand the maturity level their age requires.

(Don't forget Priscilla Presley)
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