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Old 04-25-2008, 04:37 PM
 
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Is it meaningful anymore? To me, it is lip service and recitation of the truths of yesterday that are changing today.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
And to the Republic for which it stands

One nation? Well sort of. We do what we want when it comes to military strikes, outside of that we enjoy playing along with the UN and EU.

Under God? Not really. More and more people are openly rejecting the idea that God even exists, much less how many people are willing to live by the 10 commandments.

Indivisible? We are divided so strongly on so many issues that I cannot imagine us being indivisible the way we were when we demanded freedom from big, oppressive government in the 1700's.

With liberty? Yes we still have some, more than most places on the earth and I love it. But it is being eroded. Hate speech laws, media run by agenda laden corporations, gun control, privacy invasions, etc.

And justice for all? This one has to be the most violated thoughts of the pledge of allegiance. How many of you feel justice is given to all in America?




I love America, and I feel blessed to live here. But I am quickly growing sick of those who demand all this reverance for the pledge, anthem, and flag while at the same time just shrugging their shoulders and saying "oh well" each time the govt steps on the constitution while they smile through their lying teeth. The very values and ideals that our pledge and anthem are supposed to represent are being degraded rapidly, and our current crop of politicians in DC are unbelievably incompetent and unconcerned about defending the constitution.
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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It's a pledge to obey our government...do we really need to pledge an allegiance to someone outside ourselves?
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:46 PM
 
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Is it meaningful anymore? To me, it is lip service and recitation of the truths of yesterday that are changing today.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
And to the Republic for which it stands

One nation? Well sort of. We do what we want when it comes to military strikes, outside of that we enjoy playing along with the UN and EU.

Under God? Not really. More and more people are openly rejecting the idea that God even exists, much less how many people are willing to live by the 10 commandments.

Indivisible? We are divided so strongly on so many issues that I cannot imagine us being indivisible the way we were when we demanded freedom from big, oppressive government in the 1700's.

With liberty? Yes we still have some, more than most places on the earth and I love it. But it is being eroded. Hate speech laws, media run by agenda laden corporations, gun control, privacy invasions, etc.

And justice for all? This one has to be the most violated thoughts of the pledge of allegiance. How many of you feel justice is given to all in America?




I love America, and I feel blessed to live here. But I am quickly growing sick of those who demand all this reverance for the pledge, anthem, and flag while at the same time just shrugging their shoulders and saying "oh well" each time the govt steps on the constitution while they smile through their lying teeth. The very values and ideals that our pledge and anthem are supposed to represent are being degraded rapidly, and our current crop of politicians in DC are unbelievably incompetent and unconcerned about defending the constitution.
I love reciting the pledge because it was written by a socialist, and the Knights of Columbus got the "under God" part put in against the wishes of many. So to me, it is a great liberal achievement.
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:47 PM
 
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It's a pledge to obey our government...do we really need to pledge an allegiance to someone outside ourselves?
It was written as a student's flag day recitation.
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I have no problem declaring my allegiance to our flag which, as the pledge affirms, represents our republic's ongoing pursuit of equality and justice for all.
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Old 04-25-2008, 06:40 PM
 
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While my attachment to the "Pledge" is largely an emotional one...and it's pretty "vague' in many ways...and I have no doubt at ALL that the ACLU, if it ever got the notion, could outlaw it with little effort...still, I think it's a good thing. It leans toward optimism, which we're sorely lacking today...and I think we're far better off with it, than we'd be without it.
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Old 04-25-2008, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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It doesn't matter anyway. The Pledge is rarely even said anymore. Even though it has been around for 115 years, today it seems to offend about 10 people. So for the rest of us 303 million people in America we are not allowed to say it any longer.
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:00 PM
 
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I've never been offended by the pledge. I just find all the patriotism games in this campaign to be quiet ridiculous. Bush is always talking about patriotism, yet doesn't mind taking a dump on the constitution, which he has sworn to uphold and defend with his oath of office. The Dems complain that he's not really patriotic since the war is bad and he won't get out, yet they want gun control, hate speech laws, and media censorship which are all unconstitutional.

Basically what I'm getting at is that we have a 2 sided assault on the constitution and that these same people who are part of the assault use patriotism and the accompanying semantics as some sort of proof as to whether or not your a good American.
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:25 PM
 
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It was written as a student's flag day recitation.
...as part of the huge national celebration of the 400th Anniversary of Columbus Day. We didn't really do so much for the 500th anniversary...

Original Pledge: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The original salute was to begin with the right hand placed over the heart, and then on the words "to my Flag", to extend the hand outward and upward toward the flag for the rest of the recitation. This was exactly the Nazi salute. Hence the US salute was modified during the 1930's. It's still a little unnerving to see photos of US students reciting the pledge using that salute in the teens and 1920's...

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Old 04-25-2008, 07:39 PM
 
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While my attachment to the "Pledge" is largely an emotional one...and it's pretty "vague' in many ways...and I have no doubt at ALL that the ACLU, if it ever got the notion, could outlaw it with little effort...
On what is that claim based? The ACLU's only objection to the Pledge is over its inclusion of the words "under God", words whose patent meaning and history in being included within the Pledge are obviously religious. In particular the group has opposed any compelled recitation of the Pledge in this form within public schools, while also noting that the words make it impossible for those who do not believe in one or any God to recite the Pledge honestly. It would not seem proper for one religious group to expropriate what was intended as a universal national rite to its own particular purposes, don't you agree?
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