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Churches can do whatever they please. What any church anywhere says about the matter has no standing at all. Marriage is a condition defined, managed, and controlled by the state. There is no religious role in that whatsoever. No church or church official can marry anyone at all without a state license to do so. You can go revise your canon law all you want. The discussion here has to do with civil law, and the suggestion that civil law as it currently stands in most places is an affront to long-standing principles of the Constitution and to common decency. That anyone would so much as introduce religious standards into the discussion is evidence of how upside-down their understandings of this society are...
Anyone would ignore the importance of religious standards in our society provides evidence of how willfully out of touch with reality their understanding of America actually is...
Anyone would ignore the importance of religious standards in our society provides evidence of how willfully out of touch with reality their understanding of America actually is...
What a lot of puffery. Not a single fact contested. You remember facts, don't you? Those are the things from which reality is assembled. You should seek to become better acquainted. The practicality of a world constructed from amorphous imaginations pales in comparison...
What a lot of puffery. Not a single fact contested. You remember facts, don't you? Those are the things from which reality is assembled. You should seek to become better acquainted. The practicality of a world constructed from amorphous imaginations pales in comparison...
Puffery is it? Gads, Sir, your effrontery knows no bounds!
Come on, now. You brought up the idea of religous standards being out of place in a discussion of American society. I reminded you that you were ignoring, among other things, the fact that most Americans believe in God.
Content yourself with torts, whereases, and wherefors if you wish. Go forth and pursue legal lucre to your broker's delight. But please don't try to extrapolate legalisms into a general description of the American soul at the expense of religious faith. You'd be disputing facts....
Puffery is it? Gads, Sir, your effrontery knows no bounds!
Come on, now. You brought up the idea of religous standards being out of place in a discussion of American society. I reminded you that you were ignoring, among other things, the fact that most Americans believe in God.
Content yourself with torts, whereases, and wherefors if you wish. Go forth and pursue legal lucre to your broker's delight. But please don't try to extrapolate legalisms into a general description of the American soul at the expense of religious faith. You'd be disputing facts....
Believing in God is not a religion. Marriage is a civil institution. So what is the relevance of your points?
The poster to whom I replied sought to argue that religious standards are not germane to a discussion of our society. I provided evidence that many Americans -- if fact, most -- disagree with him.
This thread is asking 'Just How "Socially Advanced" Are We in the United States?' - and then becomes a forum about gay marriage. How exactly do the 2 equate?
This thread is asking 'Just How "Socially Advanced" Are We in the United States?' - and then becomes a forum about gay marriage. How exactly do the 2 equate?
The very first post on this thread purported to inquire into the "social advancement" level of the US....and then promptly took off on a well-researched (even ILLUSTRATED) 'tangent' dealing with the fact that a nation's being 'advanced' was directly related to its acceptance of gay marriage.
HOW did this come about? I don't know....but that's what the OP apparently meant the post to be about.
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