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Old 04-28-2008, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...torial/000.pdf

Here’s a great PowerPoint presentation on the Fourth Branch of government…the Federal Departments/Agencies. I’ve been pondering how the departments of the executive branch are able to create laws simply by issuing NOPRs, the slides give a clear and concise reason. For a while now I’ve felt that the FDR era ushered in an unprecedented turn towards socialism (beginning in the Wilson era), hence a large turn away from the principles this country was founded on.

Even before the Federal Register Act there was a turn away from Natural Law and a sprint towards Positive Law in this country, Congress had already abdicated it’s responsibilities for keeping the Executive Branch in check. Congress and the Executive Branch now work together to eliminate freedom and create more regulation. Congress delegated its authority directly to the Executive Branch departments, the departments have delegated authority to their agencies, the agencies delegate authority to subordinate Commissions…Congressmen and Senators now have no idea what these agencies, departments, and commissions do and are unable to keep up with the bureaucracy let alone have oversight of it. If my elected representative is unable to keep the Executive branch in check than how can a citizen be protected from the tyranny of government…

Thoughts?
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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What specific guidelines or regulations do you feel have been inappropriately established by the bureaucracy, independent of the political process and elected/appointed officials?
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:23 PM
 
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Senators and Congresspersons are not expected to know what the dimensions of metal plates used to join the segments of a highway overpass ought to be in order to assure the safety and longevity of the structure, nor to know what sort of adhesive ought to be used in mounting tiles or other surface treatments that might be used on the roof of a tunnel. These and millions of other tiny details of what specifically constitutes a state of having complied with the law are left to Executuive Branch experts to work out in consultation with private sector experts, subject to the review of Congress and GAO.

Since you don't seem comfortable with the current system, what changes would you propose, or what alternative system do you think we should move to? Do you believe that rather than having standards for it, the dimensions and quality of the cable that holds up an elevator should simply be left to the whims of the low-bid contractor to decide upon however it might please?
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:17 PM
 
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Default There is a good point in this topic

MamaBee may be bringing up a good topic.

Though it is true that regulations should be in place to protect people, the governments in this country are growing into areas that would be better left to private industry.

A good example is the departments of commerce (federal and state). They are taking away activities from private industry that would be more economically handled by the commercial sector.

For instance, the promotion of business. The departments of commerce provide services at low costs to business, but their focuses tend to be more on regulations than on the complete selling cycle (where they do not belong anyway). And, this tends to work against those commercial people that would normally be working in various merchant roles - As they cannot compete against the government agencies.

And, to worsen matters, these departments actually are becoming commercial enterprises themselves - That is, charging for their services, while they are being subsidized by the taxpayers. How does private industry compete against that?

This is not the role of government - And, if you look at the public authorities that arise (such as those that manage airports, bridges and even mass transit) - They become literally independent enterprises. Created at taxpayer expense.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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What specific guidelines or regulations do you feel have been inappropriately established by the bureaucracy, independent of the political process and elected/appointed officials?
I feel the entire system of delegating authority to the Executive branch, where it was never intended to be, is inappropriate.

There are entirely too many regulations, too many departments, agencies, and commissions. By delegating its authority Congress does not have direct oversight of these agencies. Congress was intended to write the laws and not bureaucrats who issue rules.

One need only visit the site to see how many regulations there truly are...to sit here and review the CFR and cite all the regulations I feel are inappropriate would take a lifetime.

Available CFR Titles on GPO Access

The intent of my post was not to cite specific regulations but rather to point out how the entire system of this "fourth branch" of government was never intended or outlined in the Constitution; that Congress was to oversee the Executive Branch; and how by giving away their authority Congress is no longer able, nor does it choose to, protect the citizens from the government.

Migee - I agree.
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:59 PM
 
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Congress only has so many assets, but has staff members who work with each Executive Branch Department concerning implementation guideliness and processes. Perhaps the process is more integrated than is apparent at the public level:

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07235r.pdf
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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The letter was an olive branch to Congress from Walker, prior to his resignation he embarked on a tour of the US in an attempt to educate the public about the problems that this country is facing...still no one in Congress has listened.

The federal government has grown to a bloated size that is unsustainable and was not intended.
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