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The former is inevitable and the latter unlikely. The real power in the 21st century world is the unofficial international collaboration of finance, industry, transport, energy and politics. Superpowers and wars are an impediment to the income stream of the people that own the world so is increasingly unlikely. Unlimited immigration will be used to drag the working classes down to the lowest level possible to increase the take for the pan-national wealthy.
Believing in government more than the people. Priceless.
Do you honestly drink the kool-aid that suggests government services were implemented for a good reason?
Maybe I do, maybe I don't trust the American people to do the right thing, maybe most will, but it doesn't take many bad apples to spoil the bunch. It is sad to say, I would like to think that everyone who is able to would take responsibility for themselves and their families, I would like to think that those who aren't able to do so would be able to be taken care of by private charities, I would like to think that huge, profitable companies would consider it their patriotic duty to provide their workers with fair wages, safe working conditions, and reasonable benefits. I would love to believe that these things would happen without the government intervening in anything, but I have seen very little in my lifetime to actually believe that this would happen.
Maybe I do, maybe I don't trust the American people to do the right thing, maybe most will, but it doesn't take many bad apples to spoil the bunch. It is sad to say, I would like to think that everyone who is able to would take responsibility for themselves and their families, I would like to think that those who aren't able to do so would be able to be taken care of by private charities, I would like to think that huge, profitable companies would consider it their patriotic duty to provide their workers with fair wages, safe working conditions, and reasonable benefits. I would love to believe that these things would happen without the government intervening in anything, but I have seen very little in my lifetime to actually believe that this would happen.
There's a direct correlation between increased government and shiftlessness in America. Rugged individualism existed during the GD and probably helped Americans get through FDR's toxic New Deal environment.
There's a direct correlation between increased government and shiftlessness in America. Rugged individualism existed during the GD and probably helped Americans get through FDR's toxic New Deal environment.
The New Deal created Hundreds and Thousands and jobs in the United States during the Great Depression, it helped the American Economy get back on its feet and pretty much insured us that the Great Depression will never happen again.
The New Deal created Hundreds and Thousands and jobs in the United States during the Great Depression, it helped the American Economy get back on its feet and pretty much insured us that the Great Depression will never happen again.
Wow. Want some swampland in Arizona?
The New Deal prolonged the depression and helped created the '37 recession. Hoover intervened from Day 1 by trying to artificially create jobs.
Neither of us can prove the other wrong. All I have on my side is the fact that a decade long depression NEVER existing before a Federal Reserve system in place playing with interest rates and the free market was able to set the regulatory standards for everything. Bank panics and self-adjusting recessions were the only course of the day.
There's a direct correlation between increased government and shiftlessness in America. Rugged individualism existed during the GD and probably helped Americans get through FDR's toxic New Deal environment.
That may be true, but it brings me back to my original question, which is how would these ideas be implemented?
I do agree that Americans a few generations ago would be much better suited than we are to make these changes. I was raised for most of my life by my greatgrandparents, they worked their butts off to raise their kids, grandkids & greatgrandkids, they took care of neighborhood kids, they shared their home with friends and family when times were tough, they took in their parents when they became too old to live by themselves. Great people and great values, but they also spent most of their life poor, they went hungry sometimes, they lived with 10 in a small rowhouse, my grandfather bought his first new car when he was 70 years old, and he died 2 years later, he never got a chance to enjoy retirement. That makes me sad, after working so hard, I wish he would have felt comfortable retiring and maybe going on a trip or two ( back to Ireland where his mother and father were born ), but part of that great work ethic involved never stopping to smell the roses.
Do you even know what Socialism is? Socialism is a form of government where the government provides the health care and many other services to the citizens and sorry Ron Paul is a sore loser to McCain, what is he gonna do? Declare himself supreme dictator? Don't say what I like either, I love the freedoms we have here? Besides what policies are you going to enforce besides making the United States pull out of every world organization and make us become isolationist? Not a good Idea, bub.
I think having excessive military installations outconus relative to inconus is wrong.
I agree with Ron Paul as watchdog for fed, he has real concerns and he is correct on many issues that other candidates won't even broach subject.
I think our foriegn policy stinks, and we shouldn't be interfering with soveriegn states unless by consensus from UN. Or perhaps I should have pleaded with UN to come save me when bush warmongers took over? Dems were being held hostage and politically oppressed. Please save us from ignorance of kin!!! hahahahaa
Isolationism vs policing the world? I'm sure there is more out there than these extremes. Fact is when foreign policy was healthy, neither of these extremes was in play.
Anyone going on this march, it's wikid swampy hot in DC that time of year. be sure to bring your little misty fan thingys so you dont overheat.
Maybe I do, maybe I don't trust the American people to do the right thing, maybe most will, but it doesn't take many bad apples to spoil the bunch. It is sad to say, I would like to think that everyone who is able to would take responsibility for themselves and their families, I would like to think that those who aren't able to do so would be able to be taken care of by private charities, I would like to think that huge, profitable companies would consider it their patriotic duty to provide their workers with fair wages, safe working conditions, and reasonable benefits. I would love to believe that these things would happen without the government intervening in anything, but I have seen very little in my lifetime to actually believe that this would happen.
I find it interesting you consider fair wages, safe working conditions and reasonable benefits as a government function. I also find it funny how you believe it is the job of government to provide and or make sure those who are not responsible are allowed to continue to be irresponsible. Those who are responsible should not be punished but the elite few in washington who believe they can run your life better then you. Show me were Government does anything right. Seems to be this a good example of Big Government problems and central economic planning. I also find that those who openly support big government are collectivist, socialist and or communists. Which basically infringes on my rights as an individual. Being that you are so willing to give large amounts of power to the government to control my individuals right and support welfare programs, large taxes on my personal income and strict enforcement makes ME very angry. Most importantly you and others like you are the enenmy and traitor to the constitution and our country.
One last word.
Liberty, Economic or Personal are always challenged by the self proclaimed elite and big government drones. Everyday liberty is under assult and a case must be made vigorously to protect it.
You and others like you find it much easier to surrender to the chains of Big Government.
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