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Old 05-02-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
EVERYTHING?????

Thats funny,Bush has used his veto power nine times I believe.
No, he's just broken the law or found ways to do it, which is actually worse than a veto. BTW, you are correct.

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THE NATION; Bush's Record: One Veto, Many No's

By SHERYL STOLBERG
Published: July 23, 2006

OF all the powers of the presidency, the veto is among the most potent.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt rejected or failed to sign 635 bills during his 12 years in office, using his veto power to keep Congress -- run by his fellow Democrats -- subservient. Harry S. Truman vetoed 250 bills; Dwight D. Eisenhower, 181. Bill Clinton used one of 37 vetoes to reject a law banning a particular type of abortion.

But until last week, when President Bush vetoed a bill to expand federally supported embryonic stem cell research, the incumbent president -- a man who has taken an especially aggressive approach to expanding executive authority -- left the veto power untouched.

Conventional wisdom holds that Mr. Bush went more than five years without exercising his veto power simply because he did not have to: the Republicans who control Congress gave him everything he wanted.

That is, for the most part, true. But Mr. Bush has also found ways of exercising control over (or circumventing) Congress without using the veto. When Mr. Bush wanted to empower federal authorities to monitor the international communications of suspected terrorists, he did so by issuing a secret executive order, avoiding a possible legislative battle -- and the potential veto that might go along with it.
THE NATION; Bush's Record: One Veto, Many No's - New York Times

Perhaps I should have said, he says NO at every turn.

OLD LINK, but still no at every turn.

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Old 05-02-2008, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Bush vetoes everything. At every turn he's a warmonger.
OK - what legislation did the Democrats get passed, through both Houses of Congress - which they had a majority in, and send to the President that he vetoed?
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:04 PM
 
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Default How clever

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Weren't the politicians convicted in the gay page scandal, Conservatives?
to answer a question with a question.

Being gay is about as far as you can get from being a child molester.

So once again I ask: What are the smarter, better educated with better ideas and more nuanced liberal ideas on the topic of child molesters?
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Conservatives like to start wars and kill people.
COMPLETELY untrue.

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Liberals like to spend on social programs.
Bush has spent more on social programs than Clinton did.
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:13 PM
 
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OK - what legislation did the Democrats get passed, through both Houses of Congress - which they had a majority in, and send to the President that he vetoed?
Well, I give credit to the previous poster. This IS actually his 8th or 9th veto and one within the last 10 months, IOW, since the dems took over...

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Bush vetoes bill banning waterboarding

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Saturday he vetoed legislation that would ban the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods such as waterboarding to break suspected terrorists because it would end practices that have prevented attacks.
Bush vetoes bill banning waterboarding - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/08/bush.torture.ap/ - broken link)[/quote]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/wa.../09policy.html

My God, he has been vetoing, so I was right about that. Figures.
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Nothing wrong with being a Liberal, except that Liberals are often wrong. I agree with Daminos, use your own money to pay for your socialist programs...
Yeah that's all well and good...but why is my money used to fund "your" vastly oversized Department of Defense?
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:48 PM
 
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to answer a question with a question.

Being gay is about as far as you can get from being a child molester.

So once again I ask: What are the smarter, better educated with better ideas and more nuanced liberal ideas on the topic of child molesters?
How clever, to not notice that the pages that were molested by Conservative Republicans, were under-age.
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:51 PM
 
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COMPLETELY untrue.



Bush has spent more on social programs than Clinton did.
O'Really? You mean that Bush was more Liberal than Clinton? You mean the Medicaid program that gave taxpayer dollars to the pharmaceutical companies, or the so-called AIDS program that likewise gave tax dollars to Pharmaceutical corporations? I guess you confused 'social' programs with 'defense' contracts.
 
Old 05-02-2008, 09:55 PM
 
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Just to clarify...



Just sayin' Important to get the facts straight.

Democrats Take Control of Senate As Allen Concedes to Webb in Va. - washingtonpost.com
Just to 'clarify', it was Bush and the Conservatives who launched this ill-fated war, and one of their chief architects, Paul Wolfawitz, said that it would pay for itslf. Don't blame the Liberals for not ckeaning the mess of the Republican Conservatives, there are too many Conservative Dems.
 
Old 05-02-2008, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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O'Really? You mean that Bush was more Liberal than Clinton? You mean the Medicaid program that gave taxpayer dollars to the pharmaceutical companies, or the so-called AIDS program that likewise gave tax dollars to Pharmaceutical corporations? I guess you confused 'social' programs with 'defense' contracts.
In social spending, yes, Bush has been more liberal than Clinton. Also in giving funds to Africa to fight AIDS.
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