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Old 05-03-2008, 07:54 AM
 
Location: 'Burbs of Manhattan
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communists are atheists.
I think you are confusing communism with totalitarianism.

As history states it, Hilter, Mao, Stalin and so forth are all "communist leaders". But, anyone with a cult of personality, posters of them all over the place, brainwashing the people, total control, is a totalitarian ruler. NOT communist leader. In which, in a total government, the rulers want the people to worship them and only them. Do you honestly think Stalin would want to share the stand of ultimate worship with God? No! Hence, the ban on religion in such governments.

Which brings up the question as to why anyone would say they're a communist government, when they clearly are a totalitarian government.. But, Hey. Why does America still call itself Capitalist? Welfare is the farthest from it, and is a socialist program.
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Old 05-03-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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McCarthy found it morally justified to treat everyone he perceived as immoral (like gays and socialists) unethically. Being gay and / or being a socialist was labelled un-American.
Black Americans demanding equal rights could be construed as socialism/communism.
I guess the reason why Americans view Socialism or Communism as a threat is not only economical, but also religious; Americans are capitalist theists and communists are atheists.
Off Topic...............
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:05 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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communists are atheists.
Nah, that's not what I believe, but what most Americans are inclined to believe.
I see no difference between Communism and fascism.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:12 AM
 
Location: 'Burbs of Manhattan
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Originally Posted by metropolistraffic Nah, that's not what I believe, but what most Americans are inclined to believe.
I see no difference between Communism and fascism.
Communism is a class-less society. Or what it's suppose to be.

After a bloody revolution, the leader, or whoever brought them to the rev, bows down and becomes a member of the classless society.

Personally, the system would work. ... If there were no morons in the world.

But, Communism always falls to either Totalitarianism, or as you said, Fascism.

There are a few different ways of looking at it.
Factually - Communism is far different.
Historically - Communism is the book cover. For example. There is a book written about cats, but has a dog on the front cover. Now, you are a dog lover (and a cat h8r). The dog appeals to you, you pick up and read it. It's like communism. Communism is the cover, and dictatorship is what is spammed all over the pages.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:18 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Communism is a class-less society. Or what it's suppose to be.
I consider socialism a class-less society.
What communism is to socialism is fascism to capitalism; extremes.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:21 AM
 
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Socialism is more of like.. Half of communism.

Think of M&Ms.

In Capitalism, everyone starts off with zero. (they need to work for theirs).
In Socialism, everyone starts off with two. (they get a 'jump start' on the working meter).
In Communism, everyone starts off with five.
In Total/Fascism, everyone is told they start out with ten, but, really they got one.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:28 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Socialism is more of like.. Half of communism.
I agree.
But then again, I view capitalism as 1/2 of fascism.
I live in a social democracy and consider it the best of both worlds (socialism and capitalism).
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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I think the nature of American society in the 1950's was an aberration created by a postwar boom, a relatively small cohort of young men, along with an unsustainable sense of national unity, which later collapsed.

Before WWII, life in America was often terribly violent, with Depression-era criminals and gangsters shooting one another and innocent bystanders with some frequency. Bank robbery was considered something of a national crisis. Roaming "grifters" and "hucksters" prowled the landscape.

If anything, the late 1960's and early 70's represented a return to normality in America.
Once again, reconstruction of facts or revisionist history. We hear of Dilingers, Barrows, Floyds, and other high profiles, but the starvation deaths Steinbeck wrote of in Grapes of Wrath were because people chose not to steal, even food.

The American's of every generation had their share of bad boys and girls; traitors, pirates, thieves, robbers, and murderers. What we didn't have were liberal courts allowing such activity to be profitable.

When I can steal a million, but with a $ 100,000 legal bill and $ 400,000 restitution, it becomes a fairly profitable gamble.
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:04 PM
 
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Well, we've got a whole political party that has made egoism a legitimate, socially respectable ethical system, despite thousands of years of arguements, by philosophers, to the contrary. When you think only about yourself, especially for the chronicly stupid/ignorant, you tend to do dumb things. A kid stealing a pair of $100 dollar shoes is just trying to "get ahead", one larceny at a time.
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:08 PM
 
Location: North East, MD (Cecil County)
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I am so happy to read your thread. You are so right. I have 2 children and pride myself on teaching them right from wrong. You back your friends, you don't lie, cheat, steal, hurt people and ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING.. But everyday they see people doing all of the above and the news so recognizes the BAD, the liars, cheats, thieves, murderers, rapists, child sex offenders etc and they all go free,at least a lot of the court systems just seem to be a temporary bed and meal for the bad guys. The courts don't have any Ethics or Morals. Our Country has become a very troubled place. Yes we are free but we are abusing this privilage by not respecting each other and the land we love so much.
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