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Old 06-09-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel350z View Post
That's not what your article states. It does not say that no vaccine is not needed for those who've had COVID-19

From your article:

The Cleveland Clinic tells FOX 8, “We don’t know how long the immune system will protect against reinfection or protect against variants. We still recommend those eligible receive the vaccine.”

Did you miss that part? They still recommend you get the vaccine regardless of their findings because they do not know how long the immune system will protect against reinfection and variants.

It's phenomenal how you put your spin on the article and come up with your own conclusions.
If you read previous posts you’ll see that I said I didn’t create that headline, the news source did. I also stated previously that the clinic states to go ahead and get it anyway.
Bottom line of Cleveland Clinic’s study: The Vax Does Not Benefit Those who have been infected with Covid.
It’s likely natural immunity lasts for years. Look it up.

 
Old 06-09-2021, 09:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Chuckity View Post
I don't assume anything.

But the blind faith trust in Big Government, Big Pharma & Big Tech to have our best interests at heart is mind blowing.
I don't have blind faith trust in anybody, being a scientist myself and one who makes viruses for a living every week, I read the journals and seek out the research about what is going on and use my education and experience to make my own decisions on what to do for MYSELF!
 
Old 06-09-2021, 09:57 AM
 
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by cjseliga View Post
So the CDC Foundation has collected $161 million from corporations over the last 26 years, so roughly averaging $6.2 million/year over that time.

The CDC’s Funding in Fiscal Year (FY) 2018 was $8.25 Billion with "B".

Those CDC Foundation donations are minuscule to how much our tax dollars go to the CDC each and every year, nice try though, Ms. T!
It's a conflict of interest. They also have a revolving door of past CDC directors that go on to Pharma positions.

Like this one, who conveniently led the vaccine division at Merck:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...5BK2K520091221

Same thing happens with financial regulators and Wall Street. Look how well that turned out--2008 world financial crash.

Here's an article focusing only on the Trump admin, but the problem long pre-dates Trump:

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...keeps-spinning

Any reasonable person would wonder about things like this. It's odd that people are so naive they think it doesn't happen.
 
Old 06-09-2021, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Maine
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It's a conflict of interest. They also have a revolving door of past CDC directors that go on to Pharma positions.

Like this one, who conveniently led the vaccine division at Merck:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...5BK2K520091221

Same thing happens with financial regulators and Wall Street. Look how well that turned out--2008 world financial crash.

Here's an article focusing only on the Trump admin, but the problem long pre-dates Trump:

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...keeps-spinning

Any reasonable person would wonder about things like this. It's odd that people are so naive they think it doesn't happen.

Exactly. Thank you!

Conflict of interest is a concept that seems to elude the understanding of the liberal fascists. They want to push their agenda - by ANY means necessary.

Pretending to be ignorant of this is a strategy that many seem to employ.
 
Old 06-09-2021, 10:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel350z View Post
Ok then why do they still make the recommendation to get the vaccine? Unlikely benefit does not equal do not take the vaccine. Nowhere in the study does it say NOT to take the vaccine.

What other reason could there be to take a vaccine if you don't get any benefit from it? To make big pharma more money? To give the government more control? The same question raised about how long the immunity lasts from recovery applies equally to vaccination.

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Old 06-09-2021, 10:34 AM
 
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So if you got Covid in June of last year you shouldn't get vaccinated because you have had it, even if your antibody levels drop? Use some critical thinking, in the absence of an antibody test the vaccine can extend your immunity.

It's not just about antibodies. Floating antibodies always drop, it's T-cells that provide the blueprint to create antibodies. There is zero evidence that a vaccine extends your immunity. Use some educated thinking.
 
Old 06-09-2021, 10:36 AM
 
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So the CDC Foundation has collected $161 million from corporations over the last 26 years, so roughly averaging $6.2 million/year over that time.

The CDC’s Funding in Fiscal Year (FY) 2018 was $8.25 Billion with "B".

Those CDC Foundation donations are minuscule to how much our tax dollars go to the CDC each and every year, nice try though, Ms. T!

Then they shouldn't need it and wouldn't miss it so why not disallow it in the interests of objectivity?
 
Old 06-09-2021, 10:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by kmom2 View Post
It's a conflict of interest. They also have a revolving door of past CDC directors that go on to Pharma positions.

Like this one, who conveniently led the vaccine division at Merck:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...5BK2K520091221

Same thing happens with financial regulators and Wall Street. Look how well that turned out--2008 world financial crash.

Here's an article focusing only on the Trump admin, but the problem long pre-dates Trump:

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...keeps-spinning

Any reasonable person would wonder about things like this. It's odd that people are so naive they think it doesn't happen.
The CDC has some of the top scientists in their field, and it's such a niche industry, if you leave the government (CDC) and still want to work in the same field, private industry (pharma) is definitely one of the few available routes to go.

So someone who is in the top of their field should be banned from leaving one job and going to another?

Although the CDC Foundation was chartered by Congress, it is not a government agency nor is it a division of CDC. It is a private, nonprofit organization classified as a 501(c)(3) public charity.

You guys are blindly lumping the CDC Foundation and the CDC together.

Lets just look at several of the CDC Foundation programs, out of the 1,000s they do around the world:

Gangarosa Endowment for Safe Water

Bob Keegan Polio Eradication Heroes Fund

Malaria Zero

Community Capacity Assessment for Climate Health

Integrated Serosurveillance Center and Serologic Surveillance in Nigeria

Ending Tuberculosis in Vietnam

Field Epidemiology Training Program - Saudi Arabia

Bed Nets for Children

Folate Status in the U.K. Population

Last edited by cjseliga; 06-09-2021 at 10:48 AM..
 
Old 06-09-2021, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by toodie View Post
Symptoms can be subjective or objective.
Symptoms are by definition subjective. If the person never told someone else of their existence then no one would know about them.

Anything objective is a sign or physical finding. For example, a rash is a physical finding (objective) while itching is a symptom (subjective). You cannot tell by looking at it whether a rash itches or not.

I gave you a reference to the definition. You can either admit you were mistaken or continue to believe what you have apparently made up for yourself.
 
Old 06-09-2021, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Originally Posted by oceangaia View Post
It's not just about antibodies. Floating antibodies always drop, it's T-cells that provide the blueprint to create antibodies. There is zero evidence that a vaccine extends your immunity. Use some educated thinking.
Zero evidence? I am calling B.S. on that right now.
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