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Old 06-18-2008, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Scranton
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I disagree. We will keep the death penalty. There is no reason not to keep it.

Frankly - I would add some crimes that would make someone subject to the death penalty - including victimizing children.

For instance - this on going case in Austria with the so called father who imprisioned his daughter for 20+ years - rape her - If I had my way, he would be executed.

It amazes me that he will spend less time in prison than he imprisoned his daughter
I agree 10000%. Crimes against children should carry an automatic death penalty. I would love to see public stonings for pedophiles. Pedophiles and other child abusers are the absolute bottom of the food chain.

What I find amazing is that many people who are against the death penalty also support abortion rights. I don't understand the line of thinking of someone who thinks that the criminals who commit the most heinous crimes should have their life spared, but at the same time support the killing of innocent unborn human beings. I'll never understand it.
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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It's about time USA repealted it's 2nd ammendment and outlawed firearms. Also get rid of the death penalty as other civilized countries have done.
A Canadian.
No, the death penalty prevents THAT person from committing further crimes. It needs to be enforced for more crimes, like brandishment and public discharge of a firearm.
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:56 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I agree 10000%. Crimes against children should carry an automatic death penalty. I would love to see public stonings for pedophiles. Pedophiles and other child abusers are the absolute bottom of the food chain.

What I find amazing is that many people who are against the death penalty also support abortion rights. I don't understand the line of thinking of someone who thinks that the criminals who commit the most heinous crimes should have their life spared, but at the same time support the killing of innocent unborn human beings. I'll never understand it.
What I find amazing is people that are against abortion, yet for the death penalty. I thought all life was sacred? You know you will always run the risk of executing an innocent person. Plenty of them have been released from death row.
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Old 06-18-2008, 01:31 PM
 
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Isn't going to happen. In fact is it far off the radar screens in poliitcs of both parties because the death panalty is more popular tha ever in recent times.You forgot the innocent in your life being sacred if your referring to religious beliefs of most christians.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:37 PM
 
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What I find amazing is that many people who are against the death penalty also support abortion rights. I don't understand the line of thinking of innocent unborn human beings. I'll never understand it.
I agree...I've never gotten a completely clear answer to this. NOR to how a drunk driver can be prosecuted for causing the death of a woman's fetus. Is it a crime to kill a fetus, or is it not? And if a "bio-father" can be held responsible for a child's support, why can't he stop the child's being aborted? Sounds like some REAL legal 'tap-dancing' to me....

Not a big fan of the death penalty myself. I think it would be enough to know that a "life sentence" meant "life", not "until somebody changes it and paroles you". I figure if I wasn't willing to PERSONALLY 'throw the switch', I shouldn't ask anyone else to do so in my name, either.

But I'd SURE like an answer on that "fetus" question..
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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In the State of Arizona (and other states), if someone causes the death of an unborn child being carried by a pregnant female, they can be charged with the death of that unborn child.

If someone causes the death of a pregnant female and the unborn child, in AZ, they will be charged with TWO counts of murder - not one.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:45 PM
 
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In the State of Arizona (and other states), if someone causes the death of an unborn child being carried by a pregnant female, they can be charged with the death of that unborn child.

If someone causes the death of a pregnant female and the unborn child, in AZ, they will be charged with TWO counts of murder - not one.
I see. So "aborting a fetus" is OK in a clinic, but not "out on the street". Makes sense, I guess. A drunken brawl resulting in a bar-room death would be 'murder"....but a guy getting "whacked" after having a Mafia 'contract" put out on him, would be considered a "business move".....I guess....?....
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:48 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I see. So "aborting a fetus" is OK in a clinic, but not "out on the street". Makes sense, I guess. A drunken brawl resulting in a bar-room death would be 'murder"....but a guy getting "whacked" after having a Mafia 'contract" put out on him, would be considered a "business move".....I guess....?....
It's only after viability that you can be charged with double murder, although it may vary by state. There is a BIG difference between a woman making that choice, and someone else forcefully making it for her.

But I don't understand how you can be against abortion, yet for the death penalty. Not very "pro-life".
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:49 PM
 
Location: South Seattle Suburbs
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It's about time USA repealted it's 2nd ammendment and outlawed firearms. Also get rid of the death penalty as other civilized countries have done.
A Canadian.

I'm totally with you on the death penalty, but even though I've never owned a gun, I will defend every American's right to own one. Besides, gun bans don't work ... they only ensure that law-abiding citizens won't have guns but criminals will.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:54 PM
 
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My understanding is that a lot of fetal murder laws came about from cases where an attack killed a woman's fetus, but the assailant could only be charged with simple or aggravated assault. This prompted public outrage, and laws were amended to create a special category of murder.
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