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Old 05-08-2008, 11:10 AM
 
Location: California
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It's about time USA repealted it's 2nd ammendment and outlawed firearms. Also get rid of the death penalty as other civilized countries have done.
A Canadian.
Just stay where your at and don't worry about us, we'll be fine.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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This is a completely irrational way to conduct policy.
Not necessarily.

I know a couple who were rabid anti death penalty advocates. And I mean RABID - you would get a tongue lashing if you every intimidated you supported the death penalty.

Then, their 8 year old daughter was abducted, raped, sodmized and killed.

Her abducter was captured, charged, convicted. The parents supported the imposition of the death penalty. And, so it was. They went to the execution.

They are now pro death penalty advocates.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:11 PM
 
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This is a completely irrational way to conduct policy.

Imagine if we based our war policy on the emotions, even justified emotions, of those effected? That would be crazy. We would be in a constant state of war.

But perhaps that is what you lot actually advocate...

Every decision that is made has an emotional element to it. Perhaps not enough emotion is put into it. You get people, strangers really, involved in a family matter who don't have to live with any of the consequences so they are apathetic. I see too many judges who are too apathetic to victims while being too empathetic to criminals.

Now, I wouldn't mind a "cooling-off" period. Say, a year at the most?
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:12 PM
 
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Not necessarily.

I know a couple who were rabid anti death penalty advocates. And I mean RABID - you would get a tongue lashing if you every intimidated you supported the death penalty.

Then, their 8 year old daughter was abducted, raped, sodmized and killed.

Her abducter was captured, charged, convicted. The parents supported the imposition of the death penalty. And, so it was. They went to the execution.

They are now pro death penalty advocates.
That story (although terrible) means nothing in the aggregate. Our criminal justice system is not intended to seek revenge for the victim. It is about keeping society safe.

Again, we wouldn't base our military policy on the personal feelings and emotions of individual soldiers. A general doesn't make strategic decision against the greater interests simply because the privates are tearing at the bit to "get at 'em." In the same way, we don't base our criminal justice system on vengeance for the victims.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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That story (although terrible) means nothing in the aggregate. Our criminal justice system is not intended to seek revenge for the victim. It is about keeping society safe..
Actually - that is not true.

Revenge is the top reason for incarceration
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Actually - that is not true.

Revenge is the top reason for incarceration
What? That is nonsense. We incarcerate people to separate dangerous people from society.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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What? That is nonsense. We incarcerate people to separate dangerous people from society.
AND, to extract revenge
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:28 PM
 
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What? That is nonsense. We incarcerate people to separate dangerous people from society.

Wouldn't it be better if most of these people were dead and not living off the teat of Joe taxpayer?
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:55 PM
 
Location: In a house
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That story (although terrible) means nothing in the aggregate. Our criminal justice system is not intended to seek revenge for the victim. It is about keeping society safe.

Again, we wouldn't base our military policy on the personal feelings and emotions of individual soldiers. A general doesn't make strategic decision against the greater interests simply because the privates are tearing at the bit to "get at 'em." In the same way, we don't base our criminal justice system on vengeance for the victims.

The American people were never meant to be rendered into "agregate"
A victims family should have great influence regarding sentencing in cases of murder, rape ect. There is no crime commited against the state when a person is killed or raped. Theft & such is easier to rationalize as a crime against society.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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That story (although terrible) means nothing in the aggregate. Our criminal justice system is not intended to seek revenge for the victim. It is about keeping society safe.
It isn't about revenge; it is about justice.
And what better way to keep society safe than executing murderers?
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