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Old 05-08-2008, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Your mind
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Personally I would think an earth made for our use might be covered with things such as edible trees, delicious dirt, and drinkable ocean water rather than filled with fossil fuels that took us thousands of years to learn to use and won't last us even a substantial fraction of that time, but that's just me.

 
Old 05-08-2008, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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Sure, I'll ask and see if I can get the name of his company.

I'm ambivilant on ANWR drilling, myself because it's long-term. I'm against any short-term "fixes." I don't like inflation, but the earlier we get off oil, the better.
 
Old 05-08-2008, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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No amount of energy conservation is going to reduce the demand for more oil while the population continues to increase. If it simple mathematics. If 10 people cut their energy consumption by 10%, as soon as one person is born the demand for more energy will increase by 10%. Every person born increases demand for more oil, regardless of how much is conserved.

It is sheer fantasy to believe that some magic alternative energy source is going to miraculously appear overnight and eliminate our need for oil. It is also dangerous and irresponsible to oppose increasing domestic oil production on nothing more than "hope."

The less domestic oil we produce, the more foreign oil we need to import. There is no escaping this reality. We have gone from importing 38% of our oil needs in 1990 to importing 65% of our oil needs in 2007. It is as if our country wants a serious energy crisis, because we are doing everything possible to make it happen, and nothing to stop it from happening.
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: SE Alaska
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Yup...you are 100% right. I do agree with developing alternative energy to the best of our ability, but that simply won't solve all our problems here and it's still pretty distant at this point.
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
No amount of energy conservation is going to reduce the demand for more oil while the population continues to increase. If it simple mathematics. If 10 people cut their energy consumption by 10%, as soon as one person is born the demand for more energy will increase by 10%. Every person born increases demand for more oil, regardless of how much is conserved.

It is sheer fantasy to believe that some magic alternative energy source is going to miraculously appear overnight and eliminate our need for oil. It is also dangerous and irresponsible to oppose increasing domestic oil production on nothing more than "hope."

The less domestic oil we produce, the more foreign oil we need to import. There is no escaping this reality. We have gone from importing 38% of our oil needs in 1990 to importing 65% of our oil needs in 2007. It is as if our country wants a serious energy crisis, because we are doing everything possible to make it happen, and nothing to stop it from happening.
Funny we cut our demand for oil by about 2 million bbl/day back in the late 70s and early 80s. Was nobody being born then?
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Funny we cut our demand for oil by about 2 million bbl/day back in the late 70s and early 80s. Was nobody being born then?
Not true. Every year our demand for more oil has increased, without exception. There has been no time in our history when our oil consumption has declined.
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Not true. Every year our demand for more oil has increased, without exception. There has been no time in our history when our oil consumption has declined.
Oh ever see this chart, Sparky?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9f/EIA_petroleum_consumption_of_selected_nations_1960-2005.png/800px-EIA_petroleum_consumption_of_selected_nations_1960-2005.png (broken link)
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Guess what happened in 1977 to make US oil imports drop dimwit? Prudhoe Bay went on-line. We actually produced more oil domestically and reduced our foreign consumption. Something we haven't done since. Get a clue.
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Guess what happened in 1977 to make US oil imports drop dimwit? Prudhoe Bay went on-line. We actually produced more oil domestically and reduced our foreign consumption. Something we haven't done since. Get a clue.
That consumption, not imports Sparky.
 
Old 05-08-2008, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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That consumption, not imports Sparky.
Are you practicing to be stupid, or does it come naturally? Your chart proves my point. Despite all the efforts at conservation for the last three decades, oil consumption continues to increase and is now higher that it ever has been because the population continues to increase.
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