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Old 04-10-2021, 06:38 PM
 
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Trumpism might settle down into something like a distorted (and confused) weakling version of Peronism. (Peron had a platform, at least.) The future discussions will not be very complementary. Like Peronism, some few devotees will always hope for a nostalgic restoration. Peronism has morphed into a political party in Argentina but that takes discipline and a clear message, which Trumpism lacks.

I suspect that future historians will not be very kind to the GOP of the 21st century or its leaders. Since Reagan and Bush1 there has been a peculiar thrashing about, like a fish tossed up on a dock. There was a succession of take over efforts with the religious right and the Tea Party and the party was losing its identity and focus. Some of the laughter and ridicule of the early Trump candidacy in 2016 was that people thought the GOP was too strong and too wise to fall for a narcissistic dolt. But apparently not... along came Trump. We will have to see what happens next.

Did Reagan sow the seeds of the party's confused image and focus. The 'family tree' of successful nominees goes back to Reagan. Before that it was Eisenhower who begat Nixon. Before that it was Herbert Hoover. It is popular to say that ____fill_in_the_blank____ would never be a GOP nominee now...probably true. The Reagan image of "morning in America" is too evasive so what comes next? The thrashing fish on the dock was an easy catch for Trump. Whatever the GOP decides that it wants to be, it needs to not be a patsy for a take over.

There is criticism and backlash from not hearing new voices, as the Democrats learned, but there is also danger in going down the aisle with every potential bridegroom that comes along.
People have sought to use an uncountable amount of words and angles to dismiss/minimize/discredit Trumpism from the beginning — it just doesn’t work though. It doesn’t work even though the ability for humans to communicate is at an all time high.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:15 PM
 
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Trump gave it his best shot in 2020. He still lost bigly. Many voters have fled the former repub (now trumplican) party in droves, especially after his incitement of insurrection on January 6th, 2021. There is no way trumplican politicians will be able to garner enough votes to take back congress in 2022, or elect a trumplican in 2024, unless they engage in massive voter fraud/voter suppression. Which could be why so many red states are currently attempting to legislate as much voter suppression as possible. It's no coincidence these bills are being introduced after a proven free, fair and secure election, with record turnout. But trumplican politicians only want record voter turnouts if they benefit.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:32 PM
 
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Trump gave it his best shot in 2020. He still lost bigly. Many voters have fled the former repub (now trumplican) party in droves, especially after his incitement of insurrection on January 6th, 2021. There is no way trumplican politicians will be able to garner enough votes to take back congress in 2022, or elect a trumplican in 2024, unless they engage in massive voter fraud/voter suppression. Which could be why so many red states are currently attempting to legislate as much voter suppression as possible. It's no coincidence these bills are being introduced after a proven free, fair and secure election, with record turnout. But trumplican politicians only want record voter turnouts if they benefit.
This is simply democrats recognizing that Trumpism is EXTREMELY popular despite 4 years of “He’s Hitler!” propaganda — thus, they put their best argument (and one they hoped would be a closing argument) against Trump forward via the insurrection.

He’s Hitler!
He’s a sex offender!
He’s works for Russia!
He caused a humongous insurrection!
He’s a loser!
He’s a criminal!

Now anti-Trumpers cross their fingers that this massive 75 million large voter base will in some way fracture if they can find the right narrative to summarize Trump.

But guess what — when your argument pivoted 4-5 years ago to identifying your opponent in the most vile ways possible...a little thing (comparatively) like an insurrection is not going to do what 4-5 years of non-stop “he’s Hitler” talk couldn’t do. And that is separate Trump from the massive hoards of people who identify with his message and vision for America.

Plenty of people don’t like Trump on a personal level...but plenty of people dislike like the Democratic Party more than they dislike Trump.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is simply democrats recognizing that Trumpism is EXTREMELY popular despite 4 years of “He’s Hitler!” propaganda — thus, they put their best argument (and one they hoped would be a closing argument) against Trump forward via the insurrection.

He’s Hitler!
He’s a sex offender!
He’s works for Russia!
He caused a humongous insurrection!
He’s a loser!
He’s a criminal!

Now anti-Trumpers cross their fingers that this massive 75 million large voter base will in some way fracture if they can find the right narrative to summarize Trump.

But guess what — when your argument pivoted 4-5 years ago to identifying your opponent in the most vile ways possible...a little thing (comparatively) like an insurrection is not going to do what 4-5 years of non-stop “he’s Hitler” talk couldn’t do. And that is separate Trump from the massive hoards of people who identify with his message and vision for America.

Plenty of people don’t like Trump on a personal level...but plenty of people dislike like the Democratic Party more than they dislike Trump.
Unfortunately for those that do like Trump, even more dislike Trump more than they dislike Democratic Party. Look at who won in 2020. Do you really think most other Republicans would have lost to him?
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:03 PM
 
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Unfortunately for those that do like Trump, even more dislike Trump more than they dislike Democratic Party. Look at who won in 2020. Do you really think most other Republicans would have lost to him?
We saw humanities greatest political effort opposing Trump for 4 years and it resulted in an election decided by roughly 44k votes cast over 3 states.

Looking at who won in 2020 tells us very little.

Looking at the rise of Trumpism from escalator to 75 million DOES tell us something.

Any candidate other than Trump just gives us a slower drip of identity politics/hysteria.

Better to face the culture war head on and get it over with.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:12 PM
 
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This is simply democrats recognizing that Trumpism is EXTREMELY popular despite 4 years of “He’s Hitler!” propaganda — thus, they put their best argument (and one they hoped would be a closing argument) against Trump forward via the insurrection.

He’s Hitler!
He’s a sex offender!
He’s works for Russia!
He caused a humongous insurrection!
He’s a loser!
He’s a criminal!

Now anti-Trumpers cross their fingers that this massive 75 million large voter base will in some way fracture if they can find the right narrative to summarize Trump.

But guess what — when your argument pivoted 4-5 years ago to identifying your opponent in the most vile ways possible...a little thing (comparatively) like an insurrection is not going to do what 4-5 years of non-stop “he’s Hitler” talk couldn’t do. And that is separate Trump from the massive hoards of people who identify with his message and vision for America.

Plenty of people don’t like Trump on a personal level...but plenty of people dislike like the Democratic Party more than they dislike Trump.
I think ithe problem for the trumplican party is that trump’s base is steadily shrinking instead of expanding. He rallied all the support he could in 2020, and it still wasn’t enough to secure a second term. After the 2016 election (where quite a few who voted for him only did so to vote against HRC), many of us were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, hoping he would be a decent president. But instead he was much worse than anticipated, and as a result, many former repubs don’t identify with the new trumplican party. There are also many (myself included) who don’t like either party and wish we had a viable, non-establishment alternative.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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It's pretty sad a reality TV star with no political experience nor concept of how politics and government actually work, who badly lost his re-election, is still the gold standard of the Republican Party and the ring candidates feel the need to kiss if they want to advance their careers.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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It's pretty sad a reality TV star with no political experience nor concept of how politics and government actually work, who badly lost his re-election, is still the gold standard of the Republican Party and the ring candidates feel the need to kiss if they want to advance their careers.
Political parties are becoming more and more irrelevant. We are in a ideological culture war. A lot of people aren’t in love with Trump but use him as the most viable tool for fighting a tyrannical Democratic Party. The same could be said for many democrats that aren’t in love with say BLM or Antifa...they realize their party being accepting of them garners votes though.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:41 PM
 
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I think ithe problem for the trumplican party is that trump’s base is steadily shrinking instead of expanding. He rallied all the support he could in 2020, and it still wasn’t enough to secure a second term. After the 2016 election (where quite a few who voted for him only did so to vote against HRC), many of us were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, hoping he would be a decent president. But instead he was much worse than anticipated, and as a result, many former repubs don’t identify with the new trumplican party. There are also many (myself included) who don’t like either party and wish we had a viable, non-establishment alternative.
Trump wasn’t supposed to make it through the Republican primaries — I just roll my eyes at any talk (wishful thinking of anti-Trumpers) of shrinking support.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It's pretty sad a reality TV star with no political experience nor concept of how politics and government actually work, who badly lost his re-election, is still the gold standard of the Republican Party and the ring candidates feel the need to kiss if they want to advance their careers.

Actually, he barely lost a very questionable election.

As for his qualifications, not being a slimy reptilian corporate ***** that is happy to sell out his/her county is at the top of a lot of voter's list.

That's why, if he runs again, I'll vote for him again.
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