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I'm sure theres mothers, fathers, sons & daughters that would dissagree with you.
To say that those running the show inside were letting people leave if they chose is a little presumptuous no?
Twain was not saying that as a defense for atrocity.
I still think they were skumbags. Regardless of what the Davidians were suspected of.
I'm sure theres mothers, fathers, sons & daughters that would dissagree with you.
To say that those running the show inside were letting people leave if they chose is a little presumptuous no?
Twain was not saying that as a defense for atrocity.
I still think they were skumbags. Regardless of what the Davidians were suspected of.
Quite a few people left the compound. They were not hostages and there were threats of mass suicide by the Davidians. The Davidians chose suicide rather than surrender. The world's a better place for it.
Four fine American peace officer died 2/28/1993 in service to their country. Six fine American peace officers died 4/19/1993 in service to their country. They left behind loving families, children and friends. They made the ultimate sacrifice to make the United States a nation of laws fairly enforced.
No 'peace officers' died during the April 19, 1993 assault at Waco. Once again, who are you referring to?
Why do those of you who support the fedgov. killing innocent people keep bringing up service in the military???
Randy Weaver served in the Army,he was a Green Beret.
Why, just responding to previous posters about military members "turning over in their graves, etc." when they see what happened in Waco.
It is pretty funny a lot of the same posters that do cartwheels for our military protecting us from foreign threats then call them Nazis when they change the uniform to protect us from domestic threats.
A group having apocalyptic beliefs does not necessarily pose a threat to a community. They probably pose more of a threat to themselves. I have never read that Koresh and his followers threatened the residents of Waco with harm.
Read up on what he told the social worker, Joyce Sparks. That the World was going to come to an end, that the L.A. riots were nothing compared to what was going to happen in Waco, that there was going to be a military operation and all non-believers would suffer.
Read up on what he told the social worker, Joyce Sparks. That the World was going to come to an end, that the L.A. riots were nothing compared to what was going to happen in Waco, that there was going to be a military operation and all non-believers would suffer.
Pretty widely documented. Very disturbing.
He guessed right except it was THEIR world that was going to end and the BELIEVERS (Davidians) who were going to suffer.
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I think it was Twain who said "Common sense is the least utilized of the human senses"
The Davidians were on a "suicide by cop" track and sooner or late would have provoked this type of standoff. They were served proper arrest papers and violently resisted. Anyone who wanted to peacefully leave the compound did so. The courts found no fault in the government's action. And the number of dead was well less than a couple hundred, but even at that, so what? The world is a better place without these wackos.
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The Davidians were on a "suicide by cop" track and sooner or late would have provoked this type of standoff.
On July 30, 1992 two BATF agents paid a visit to a licensed gun dealer in Waco named Henry McMahon. McMahon was the main supplier of arms purchased by the residents of Mt. Carmel. While the agents were scrutinizing the paperwork involved with the various Davidian purchases, McMahon went into another room and called Koresh to tell him about the BATF enquiry. Koresh replied, " If there's a problem, tell them to come out here. If they want to see my guns, they're more than welcome". With Koresh still on the line, McMahon returned to the agents and told them Koresh was on the phone and wanted to speak to them. The agents waved McMahon away and never took Koresh up on his offer to allow them to see his guns.
(this info is found in 'The Ashes of Waco' by Dick Reavis' and other sources)
Wayne Martin was a Harvard educated lawyer and Davidian who lived at Mt. Carmel. When the assault began on Feb. 28, he frantically dialed 911 in an attempt to stop the carnage. He spoke with Lt. Lynch of the Sheriff's Department. The link is to the full transcript of the 911 call.
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Lynch: This is Lynch. Hello - hello - hello.
Martin: Hello!
Lynch: Yeah. This is Lt. Lynch. May I help you?
Martin: Yeah. There's about 75 men around our building and
they're shooting at up in Mt. Carmel.
Lynch: Mt. Carmel?
Martin: Yeah. Tell them there are women and children in here
and to call it off! [very excited]
Lynch: All right, all right. Hello? I hear gunfire. [shots,
rapid fire in background] Oh s***! Hello? Who is this? Hello.
Martin: Call it off! [almost shouted]
Lynch: Who is this? Hello? Hello? God almighty. Hello? [to
dispatcher] Who is this coming from?
Dispatcher: Wayne . . .
Lynch: Wayne Martin?
Read up on what he told the social worker, Joyce Sparks. That the World was going to come to an end, that the L.A. riots were nothing compared to what was going to happen in Waco, that there was going to be a military operation and all non-believers would suffer.
Pretty widely documented. Very disturbing.
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Why did the ATF think Koresh was going to be violent, thereby justifying its armed assault to present a simple search warrant? The affidavit contained an allegation that Koresh had told a social worker (Sparks) that he was a messenger of God and that, when the time came, the violence in Waco would make the Los Angeles riots pale in comparison. The statement, however, was supposedly made on April 6,1992 -- more than three weeks before the L.A. riots began. Apparently somebody lied about Koresh's "threat," and the magistrate didn't notice.
Even if Koresh did make the LA riots statement, to me the whole thing sounds like a rather vague threat. If I go to a social worker and state that I am a messenger of God, the world is coming to an end, the LA riots will be nothing compared to what is going to happen in Chicago, there will be a military operation and all non-believers will suffer, should I then expect tanks to come rolling through my flower gardens and start knocking holes in my house? Or should I expect a cattle trailer filled with BATF agents in full combat gear to pull up and surround the place?
People make crazier statements than this all the time and do not end up being subjected to a military-style assault. IMO, this was scant justification for what happened at Waco.
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