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Old 05-16-2008, 09:34 PM
 
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I know this is going to seem way out there to many of you, but I saw confirmation of this very thing on both Halliburton's website as well as on marketwatch.com. Anyway, these "detention centers" are being built to support a rapid influx of immigrants (like that's going to happen) or the the rapid development of new programs. Hmm, rapid development of new programs. Could "it" happen here?

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Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.
Rule by fear or rule by law?
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:40 PM
 
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:43 PM
 
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Right.. they are building huge detention camps all across the country (nearly 50), in undisclosed locations, and THOUSANDS of rail cars, and the people living right next to these camps dont know they exist..

And then the story goes on and says that these rail cars are being built for illegal aliens, but, then it claims its for US citizens.. Um.. illegal aliens are not US Citizens..

Sure.. I'll believe this when the author comes up with just ONE shred of evidence..
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:06 PM
 
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Right.. they are building huge detention camps all across the country (nearly 50), in undisclosed locations, and THOUSANDS of rail cars, and the people living right next to these camps dont know they exist..

And then the story goes on and says that these rail cars are being built for illegal aliens, but, then it claims its for US citizens.. Um.. illegal aliens are not US Citizens..

Sure.. I'll believe this when the author comes up with just ONE shred of evidence..
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KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M
By Katherine Hunt
Last update: 12:19 p.m. EST Jan. 24, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co. said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs,
KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M - MarketWatch
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:10 PM
 
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This was on ICE's website before but no longer is. It's from Homeland Security and called The End Game. Very interesting and worth of note.

http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:10 PM
 
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You went from a story with 50 camps, to a new story with 1 camp, that is obviously empty at the moment (since no one knows where it is), but costing us $385M to maintain?

p.s. ICE is for illegal aliens, not for US citizens.. I'm not particuarly in a carring mood if we're going to enforce our laws and detain, and then export illegal aliens, but US citizens, which the first story stated we were going to detain into camps is a different issue.

No where is there one shred of evidence that we are going to detain us citizens...
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:11 PM
 
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You went from a story with 50 camps, to a new story with 1 camp, that is obviously empty at the moment (since no one knows where it is), but costing us $385M to maintain?

p.s. ICE is for illegal aliens, not for US citizens..
The detention centers are being built for illegal aliens OR FOR THE RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF NEW PROGRAMS.

And where do you get that it is ONE center? I think it is interesting you used the word "camp," however.
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:16 PM
 
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The detention centers are being built for illegal aliens OR FOR THE RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF NEW PROGRAMS.

And where do you get that it is ONE center? I think it is interesting you used the word "camp," however.
I dont care if they want to build 5000 centers, camps, jails (whatever you wish to call them) for the purpose of enforcing our laws..

Its a HUGE leap to jump from a program built for ICE, to say that they are being built to detain US citizens.. HUGE leap..
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:22 PM
 
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I dont care if they want to build 5000 centers, camps, jails (whatever you wish to call them) for the purpose of enforcing our laws..

Its a HUGE leap to jump from a program built for ICE, to say that they are being built to detain US citizens.. HUGE leap..
Well, perhaps, but others have not interpreted it that way. And you cannot say "It" could not happen here. Did you know that John ******** wanted to detain US citizens?

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Camps for Citizens: ********'s Hellish Vision
Attorney general shows himself as a menace to liberty.
By Jonathan Turley
Jonathan Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University.
Los Angeles Times

Wednesday, 14 August, 2002

Atty. Gen. John ********'s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

********'s plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and reconsideration of ********'s fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, ******** has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for ********'s small inner circle, which has been carefully watching two test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality. The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.
t r u t h o u t - Camps for Citizens: ********'s Hellish Vision, (broken link)
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:33 PM
 
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Well, perhaps, but others have not interpreted it that way. And you cannot say "It" could not happen here. Did you know that John ******** wanted to detain US citizens?

t r u t h o u t - Camps for Citizens: ********'s Hellish Vision, (broken link)
Try posting from a reputable source..
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