An idea to stop mass shootings. (lawyers, suspected, insurance, gun owners)
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Sorry, if you find the statement "stop breaking the law" ridiculous, that sort of says something about you.
100's of millions of US citizens go their entire lives without being incarcerated or having issues with the judicial system by following that one simple, but as you say, ridiculous statement. You do what works for you though.
Okay, it was about you going on the tangent but then complaining when others do. Yes, it is a problem when you are unwilling to look at your country's laws when someone points out that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
Okay, it was about you going on the tangent but then complaining when others do. Yes, it is a problem when you are unwilling to look at your country's laws when someone points out that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
Sorry, i never went on a tangent. If more people just followed that one , as you stated ridiculous comment, that was on topic, perhaps we just might have less people incarcerated.
And were did i state i was unwilling to look at this countries laws ? I stated that was a topic for another thread. Start one, and i'd be more than happy to comment on it.
It has happened again in Buffalo. We had a deranged lunatic walk into a grocery store to murder innocent people. It doesn't matter that the rampage was racially motivated because the results were the same, innocent dead and injured people and a shooter that had once been on the radar of the FBI.
How many times have we seen this play out. The FBI is called in to question the actions, threats, social media postings or some other sick and twisted crimes and they let the guy go.
The FBI had interrogated the Buffalo shooter for a day and a half. Someone somewhere had raised a red flag over this kid and the FBI took it seriously enough to interview him.
Has this ever happened to you? Do you know anyone that has been interrogated by the FBI?
I know of another guy that was, the mastermind behind the Boston Marathon Bombing. The FBI was warned about him, they had him and let him go.
Of course pulling someone in to question them for something they did or threatened is one thing but this is America and holding them is a different story.
What could be done in these cases where people are deemed dangerous enough to talk to but not so much to hold them is they could be put on a list, like a no fly list but in this case it would be a list to prevent them from buying a Legal gun.
If the FBI hauls you in you are put on the list for 5 years or until you can prove that you are capable of owning a gun. After the 5 years you can be interviewed again and you may or may not be approved.
We do this for our elderly when they get to be too diminished to safely operate another potentially deadly weapon a motor vehicle so why not do it to those that are living on the fringe of sanity?
I believe in the Second Amendment but what the Founding Fathers could have never foreseen when they penned it was the ability of a troubled person or criminal being able to buy a gun and use it on innocent people.
If someone pops up on the FBI's radar chances are they had to have done something criminal or on the fringe of criminal to get them noticed and that person should be sanctioned with their name on a no buy list. If they already have guns then those will have to be sold or moved to another person for holding.
Too many times the FBI has had someone under suspicion and they are let go to carry on and eventually murder and maim.
What say you?
IMO,
When FBI monitors someone than “this” much dollars cost to FBI.
If FBI does not monitor someone than ZERO dollars cost to FBI.
Same goes with many many mentally sick and/or homeless criminals when the judge orders them to be sent to a psychiatric facility.
The facility takes them in for a few days, and then they want to see that ZERO cost on their bill. So the mentally sick and/or homeless is released and is back in the streets.
Lets ask ourselves why these type of shootings weren't very common prior to Columbine. What has changed in our country that we have mass shootings happening on a regular basis year to year ever since 1999? I have a few thoughts:
- Children and teens spend more time isolated in their room on internet unsupervised. They engage with extremists, violent content, porn, video games that involve shooting people, and cults. They also are jockeying for attention on social media, and the anti-social types may feel the only way to get attention is to do something extreme.
- Over medication of youths on psych meds without any form of therapy
- Parents who aren't involved with in their kids lives. They let them lock their door and these kids are left to their own devices. If you are unable to tell that your child is socially inept, maybe you also need to be held accountable when they inevitably snap. This kid in Buffalo had been sent to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation after making threats to other students. That might be your clue as a parent to be more involved. A lot of these kids left behind some disturbing manifestos and journals, parents need to "invade their privacy" and see what they are doing. Snoop around their room when they aren't home and look for anything that might raise a red flag...drug use, disturbing writing or images, weapons, etc.
Prior to 1999, internet was in it's infancy and kids played more outside, and had less exposure to extremely graphic and violent content. Families spent more time together. Back in the 50's and 60's, many high schools around the country had rifle teams. Teens learned to shoot a gun, handle it responsibly and we didn't have any of the mass shootings like we have today with only a few exceptions.
All of that is true. Back when you could buy a Tommy Gun at the
hardware store, there weren't any mass shootings. Something changed.
Sadly, I don't think it's gonna change back.
Then we get the society we deserve. Crime, rapes, violence, mass shootings, etc...
We can see what going light on enforcement of our laws is getting us, just look at our major cities.
Sadly, I agree.
If we can't fix violence, then maybe we deserve it.
Biden is about to sign an executive order, not on mental health, but on policing.
Quote:
Biden’s executive action on Wednesday will establish a national police registry for officers fired due to misconduct, and requires that all federal law enforcement agencies regularly submit records such as substantiated complaints and disciplinary actions to the database.
Well it has happened again, Another mass shooting that has claimed the lives of 2 adults and 18 children.
What could possibly go though the mind of someone to shoot innocent kids?
Supposedly this shooter was bullied at school Soooo if you feel the need to murder someone then why not go after the Bullies that are directly responsible for your misery?
It just does not make any sense to murder innocent children.
The racist loser that shot up the grocery store in Buffalo was known to the Police and had been held by the FBI for questioning. He was let go when he should have been watched and not allowed to buy a gun until he cleaned up his social media racist hateful rantings.
The loser in Texas was off the radar. He was not known to Police but he had posted on Social Media that his plan was to go and shoot up a school. It is such a shame that one of his "friends" did not report the threat because the school could have been locked down and the shooter intercepted.
We have to do something to keep guns out of the hands of the deranged but that something does not mean restricting the Rights of the Law Abiding. A good start would be for those involved or on the fringe we all need to be vigilant and if we see something like a threat on Social media we need to get the authorities involved.
We could stem some of this violence if we all watched out for each other because it takes a village.
Well it has happened again, Another mass shooting that has claimed the lives of 2 adults and 18 children.
What could possibly go though the mind of someone to shoot innocent kids?
Supposedly this shooter was bullied at school Soooo if you feel the need to murder someone then why not go after the Bullies that are directly responsible for your misery?
It just does not make any sense to murder innocent children. ..........
Well, "it does".....now that you have asked the question.
Want to hurt an adult? Go after their children. From Heidi Seeman to Beslan, it is a rather known tactic. Was this shooter doing that, directly or not? Unknown but it is a heck of a way to strike at a community target.
Well, "it does".....now that you have asked the question.
Want to hurt an adult? Go after their children. From Heidi Seeman to Beslan, it is a rather known tactic. Was this shooter doing that, directly or not? Unknown but it is a heck of a way to strike at a community target.
That is so sad but true.. Kids are the most vulnerable because they cannot fight back and we do everything we can to protect their innocence.
Hurting a kid is repulsive and it angers us. Killing kids like this deranged loser did has every parent in the country hugging their children tighter tonight.
A mass shooting at a school is a special brand of terror.
Of course on cue the Democrats are already talking about banning guns but the loser in Texas didn't need a gun. He could have entered that classroom with a kitchen knife, locked the door, took out the teacher and then went kid to kid.
There is no stopping evil.
What something these recent shootings have in common is that they have been carried out by lone males in the 18-20- range that have mental health issues. Perhaps to prevent future shootings semi automatic rifles should be restricted to young people until they reach 21?
We have to do something to keep guns out of the hands of the deranged but that something does not mean restricting the Rights of the Law Abiding. A good start would be for those involved or on the fringe we all need to be vigilant and if we see something like a threat on Social media we need to get the authorities involved.
Problem is there is no legal authority for the authorities to do anything in a case like this. The red flag laws don't exist. Plus, it's Texas, law enforcement gets huge backlash anytime they would even try to take someone's guns... they typically will avoid doing it. Except in the case of a suicide attempt or something.
Also, we protect gun manufacturers and sellers from being sued for crazy people being able to mow down dozens of people with their products. So no resolution there, either.
We just are OK with innocent kids, as well as adults, being the victim of random mass gun violence. Perhaps it's a number we need to reach, maybe 1000s of kids a year dying because of this (#1 cause of death for children since 2020 https://time.com/6170864/cause-of-death-children-guns/) will have some eventual effect. But the problem doesn't stop with just innocent kids and adults getting killed. Kids are growing up not feeling safe, which leads to a bigger mental illness problem as children's brains depend on feeling safe and protected. You take away that safety, like we have now, then they will grow up mentally ill... like this latest shooter. Without action the problem will become much, much worse.
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