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Old 05-24-2022, 04:28 PM
 
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Ideally, all gun laws should go away, as "Shall not be infringed upon", is quite clear...
"Equal protection of laws" is clear, too. However we still needed a civil rights movement and a women's lib movement.

The 2nd amendment is not to be taken literally. Are you in a militia?

 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:29 PM
 
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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Pretty simple.
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Put the miscreants in jail or the crazy house as appropriate, then there would be less need for weapons.
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:35 PM
 
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gun laws mostly need to be NATIONAL because of our glorious highway system the right repeatedly point out the state or local gun laws dont work well....the the old confederate states rights people will chime in and no national laws, good luck
Actually, states' rights are the reason that restrictions in place such as NY, NJ, and MD are legal.

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004 and was not renewed, but restrictions from it never went away in some states. In NJ, it is illegal for an AR-15 to have a collapsible/foldable stock, but this does not reduce or increase the lethality of the weapon. As well, until not too long ago, magazines were limited to 15 rounds; they're now limited to 10.

States like NJ claim that they are sovereign within their borders to enact their own gun laws and tragically for freedom-loving Americans, they're right. That's why, if SCOTUS rules in favor of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen (the decision is expected no later than the end of June 2022), NY and NJ and other such states are expected to exhaust every lawful option to make it difficult for the SCOTUS decision to take effect in these states.

Meaning, if SCOTUS rules in favor of the aforementioned gun club from NY, states like NY and NJ, which demand applicants for concealed carry permits demonstrate a justifiable need to carry a gun legally (and this is subjective and vague, thus making NY and NJ essentially "no issue" states rather than "may issue'), will be forced to issue CCW permits to applicants.

But they will then in all likelihood impose burdensome, exhaustive, and expensive conditions, such as safety training, taxes and fees (to be renewed annually), registration of the pistols, and so forth - all to discourage law-abiding Americans from even applying.

That's where states' rights come in. Will you complain about states' rights if the above scenario comes to pass?
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:37 PM
 
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Ideas to stop these mass shootings and gun violence in general in this country:
It would be awesome if you provided your own reasoning, yet here we are.

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1. No assault rifles
Whats your definition of an assault rifle?

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2. No semi-automatic machine pistols
What a machine pistol?

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3. No foldable stocks
Why?

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4. No body armor
Why?

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5. No extended magazines
Why?

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6. No fully automatic weapons
Tell us when the last "fully automatic weapons" were used.

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7. Gun owners must be 21
Why?

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8. All gun owners must be licensed
Are we talking about responsible gun owners?

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9. Licensing to require strong background check
is for criminal history or a history of violence or mental issues
You have no clue what a 4473 is.

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10. Licensing to require gun safety and use training and gun law training. To be renewed at regular intervals
For legal gun owners? What about that that don't care about the law?

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11. Red flag laws in place nationally
Didn't red flag laws just currently fail?

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12. Required reporters (educators, law enforcement, legal, mental and physical health professionals, social workers) are by law required to report any kind of criminal activity, suicide ideation, violent threats or actions to federal gun licensing authorities
What about those that don't care about the law?

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13. No private gun sales
Why?

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14. All guns to be registered
Why?

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15. All guns in a home with any resident without a license requires those guns to be stored with safes, locks
Why?

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16. No one under 21 can be licensed
Yet they can drive a car at 16?

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17. No one under 21 can possess a gun on their person, even temporarily, without a licensed gun owner present
Rifle or pistol?

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18. All guns required active gun use insurance
As long as all people who drive a car have insurance, agreed?

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19. All ammunition sales to be recorded and ammunition sales require proof of gun license and insurance
Why?

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20. Anyone with a gun in public is required to provide proof of gun license and insurance at any time
You hate the 2A huh, do you even know what that is?

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21. Making any kind of threat with a gun on your person is a felony, no brandishing required
Really? "swake" I think you threatened me, and I think you have a gun.

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22. No guns within ½ mile of a school or church
Who is going to enforce this?

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23. Require that any theft of guns be immediately reported
ANY responsible gun owner does this. Are you talking about those that don't care about current laws?

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24. National voluntary gun buyback program
Why?

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25. Any gun used in a crime or found to not be properly licensed and insured is to be taken into law enforcement possession and destroyed as soon as possible
Have guns that have been taken into custody been used in a later crime?

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26. Anyone found in possession of a gun in public or in their residence without proper license or insurance will be charged with a crime
What about current "Gold Star" states?

This was an extremely useless cut and paste, but congrats.
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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The thread title should be changed to "Twenty six ways to violate the constitution."
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:40 PM
 
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It would be awesome if you provided your own reasoning, yet here we are.
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This was an extremely useless cut and paste, but congrats.
I re-read his list. He has no idea how the sale of automatic weapons are done and what they entail and how much they cost.
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:42 PM
 
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But they will then in all likelihood impose burdensome, exhaustive, and expensive conditions, such as safety training, taxes and fees (to be renewed annually), registration of the pistols, and so forth - all to discourage law-abiding Americans from even applying.
Such regulations are already in effect for hunters in MOST states and they seem to get by.
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:44 PM
 
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Such regulations are already in effect for hunters in MOST states and they seem to get by.
Odd. In the past, I acquired a hunting permit in my very anti-2A state and it was nowhere as onerous and what I described.
 
Old 05-24-2022, 04:48 PM
 
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Odd. In the past, I acquired a hunting permit in my very anti-2A state and it was nowhere as onerous and what I described.
Hunting and CCW are nowhere near as onerous as you described. I have both, I can tell you, it isn't real tough. They check to see if you appear on any bad guy lists, and then spend another 5 minutes filling out boxes on a computer. Send to printer, collect payment, stamp a few things. Have a nice day.

Hell, even getting NFA and Class 3 stuff is more about waiting than it is difficult. If you have the money and don't mind waiting for like 2 years, buying a belt fed heavy machine gun is perfectly legal.

FFS, you can buy bolt action rifles that fire 20mm vulcan anti-tank rounds without doing any more paperwork than buying a 22 LR range plinker. Money is all that it takes, and maybe a little patience.
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