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We wouldn't be seeing so many mass shootings in the United States, such as most recently the one earlier this week at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, if only the so-called Cincinnati Coup of 1977 hadn't happened in that year's conference of the National Rifle Association (NRA). (For more info on that, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_at_Cincinnati.)
Until then, the NRA was actually pro-gun control - take a look at this link. What the Cincinnati Coup - also known as the Revolt at Cincinnati or the Cincinnati Revolution - did was to change the NRA from a nonpartisan, relatively small organization of hunting, conservation, and marksmanship to a powerful, politicized lobby group defending the constitutional right to bear arms. Ever since then, it has been allied with many Republican politicians to the point that those politicians have stopped concrete action on gun control that has easily passed muster in many other developed and even developing countries.
Without the Cincinnati Coup of 1977, there would have been way way fewer mass shootings in the US than there have been. The interval been the mass shootings would have been much much longer, and gun control laws would have been passed much quicker - like Australia after the 1996 shooting at the Port Arthur historical/tourist site, New Zealand after the 2019 mosque shooting in Christchurch, or Canada after the 2020 shooting in Nova Scotia.
Moving forward, while moments of silence, thoughts & prayers, etc. do have their place, what's most needed by far is for the NRA to revert to its pre-1977 state so that it doesn't get in the way of gun control legislation in Washington DC. I'm sure it's not easy at all and many Republican politicians would resist that move, but I'm afraid that's the only way.
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The NRA isn't the only firearms-related lobbying organization, and so far this year has spent far less money than organizations backing gun control (George Soros alone has outspent the NRA in 2022, not to speak of Michael Bloomberg and his various puppet organizations), so you cannot claim that their money is why the NRA has any influence on legislation.
Maine & New Hampshire (both of which consistently gets an "F" report from Brady, Giffords) gun owners despise the NRA -- because it's too willing to compromise, too up their own *** and has held us back from making changes to law by pushing NRA-authored "model" legislation and lobbying in ways detrimental to our local gun rights groups.
Meanwhile these two states routinely rank as safer than Canada (e.g. in intentional homicide rates).
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Moving forward, while moments of silence, thoughts & prayers, etc. do have their place, what's most needed by far is for the NRA to revert to its pre-1977 state so that it doesn't get in the way of gun control legislation in Washington DC. I'm sure it's not easy at all and many Republican politicians would resist that move, but I'm afraid that's the only way.
Any other classes of citizens and groups formed by them for which you'd like to remove their constitutional rights?
Interesting how nobody mentions why "the so-called Cincinnati Coup of 1977 ... happened"
who would be so vile as to defend peoples' constitutional rights?
Ah, but people call that 'domestic terrorism' today!
If you shoot a cop who is trying to take your guns away...its domestic terrorism, (NOT defending your rights), Hmmm, eerie how that changed over the years.
We wouldn't be seeing so many mass shootings in the United States, such as most recently the one earlier this week at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, if only the so-called Cincinnati Coup of 1977 hadn't happened in that year's conference of the National Rifle Association (NRA). (For more info on that, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_at_Cincinnati.)
Until then, the NRA was actually pro-gun control - take a look at this link. What the Cincinnati Coup - also known as the Revolt at Cincinnati or the Cincinnati Revolution - did was to change the NRA from a nonpartisan, relatively small organization of hunting, conservation, and marksmanship to a powerful, politicized lobby group defending the constitutional right to bear arms. Ever since then, it has been allied with many Republican politicians to the point that those politicians have stopped concrete action on gun control that has easily passed muster in many other developed and even developing countries.
Without the Cincinnati Coup of 1977, there would have been way way fewer mass shootings in the US than there have been. The interval been the mass shootings would have been much much longer, and gun control laws would have been passed much quicker - like Australia after the 1996 shooting at the Port Arthur historical/tourist site, New Zealand after the 2019 mosque shooting in Christchurch, or Canada after the 2020 shooting in Nova Scotia.
Moving forward, while moments of silence, thoughts & prayers, etc. do have their place, what's most needed by far is for the NRA to revert to its pre-1977 state so that it doesn't get in the way of gun control legislation in Washington DC. I'm sure it's not easy at all and many Republican politicians would resist that move, but I'm afraid that's the only way.
Yep...ONLY ONE MASS SHOOTING SINCE 1996 in Australia when gun laws changed!
The NRA isn't the only firearms-related lobbying organization, and so far this year has spent far less money than organizations backing gun control (George Soros alone has outspent the NRA in 2022), so you cannot claim that their money is why the NRA has any influence on legislation.
Maine & New Hampshire (both of which consistently gets an "F" report from Brady, Giffords) gun owners despise the NRA -- because it's too willing to compromise, too up their own *** and has held us back from making changes to law by pushing NRA-authored "model" legislation and lobbying against the local gun rights groups.
Meanwhile these two states routinely rank as safer than Canada (e.g. in intentional homicide rates).
Any other classes of citizens and groups formed by them for which you'd like to remove their constitutional rights?
Interesting how nobody mentions why "the so-called Cincinnati Coup of 1977 ... happened"
The NRA is not a firearms lobby. It is a gun owners and gun safety lobby.
We wouldn't be seeing so many mass shootings in the United States, such as most recently the one earlier this week at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, if only the so-called Cincinnati Coup of 1977 hadn't happened in that year's conference of the National Rifle Association (NRA). (For more info on that, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_at_Cincinnati.)
Until then, the NRA was actually pro-gun control - take a look at this link. What the Cincinnati Coup - also known as the Revolt at Cincinnati or the Cincinnati Revolution - did was to change the NRA from a nonpartisan, relatively small organization of hunting, conservation, and marksmanship to a powerful, politicized lobby group defending the constitutional right to bear arms. Ever since then, it has been allied with many Republican politicians to the point that those politicians have stopped concrete action on gun control that has easily passed muster in many other developed and even developing countries.
Without the Cincinnati Coup of 1977, there would have been way way fewer mass shootings in the US than there have been. The interval been the mass shootings would have been much much longer, and gun control laws would have been passed much quicker - like Australia after the 1996 shooting at the Port Arthur historical/tourist site, New Zealand after the 2019 mosque shooting in Christchurch, or Canada after the 2020 shooting in Nova Scotia.
Moving forward, while moments of silence, thoughts & prayers, etc. do have their place, what's most needed by far is for the NRA to revert to its pre-1977 state so that it doesn't get in the way of gun control legislation in Washington DC. I'm sure it's not easy at all and many Republican politicians would resist that move, but I'm afraid that's the only way.
Do you have any evidence that any of the mass shooters are NRA members? Forget recent history-what mass shooters, ever, have been NRA members? Lets see how far back you have to go to find one.
We have had mass shooters that are white, black, Hispanic, straight, gay, Christian, Muslim, conservative, liberal, Democrat, Republican. The one thing I don't ever recall reading is of one that was an NRA member. Yet the NRA gets the blame.
We wouldn't be seeing so many mass shootings in the United States, such as most recently the one earlier this week at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, if only the so-called Cincinnati Coup of 1977 hadn't happened in that year's conference of the National Rifle Association (NRA). (For more info on that, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_at_Cincinnati.)
Until then, the NRA was actually pro-gun control - take a look at this link. What the Cincinnati Coup - also known as the Revolt at Cincinnati or the Cincinnati Revolution - did was to change the NRA from a nonpartisan, relatively small organization of hunting, conservation, and marksmanship to a powerful, politicized lobby group defending the constitutional right to bear arms. Ever since then, it has been allied with many Republican politicians to the point that those politicians have stopped concrete action on gun control that has easily passed muster in many other developed and even developing countries.
Without the Cincinnati Coup of 1977, there would have been way way fewer mass shootings in the US than there have been. The interval been the mass shootings would have been much much longer, and gun control laws would have been passed much quicker - like Australia after the 1996 shooting at the Port Arthur historical/tourist site, New Zealand after the 2019 mosque shooting in Christchurch, or Canada after the 2020 shooting in Nova Scotia.
Moving forward, while moments of silence, thoughts & prayers, etc. do have their place, what's most needed by far is for the NRA to revert to its pre-1977 state so that it doesn't get in the way of gun control legislation in Washington DC. I'm sure it's not easy at all and many Republican politicians would resist that move, but I'm afraid that's the only way.
The Cincinnati Coup occurred in 1977 — AFTER the 1968 Gun Control Law that LBJ signed.
This was the Statement of President Johnson when he signed the Law. It pretty laid out that they did not get what they wanted “due to the powerful gun lobby” and would continue the fight.
In his remarks upon signing the act in October 1968, Johnson said:
Congress adopted most of our recommendations. But this bill—as big as this bill is—still falls short, because we just could not get the Congress to carry out the requests we made of them. I asked for the national registration of all guns and the licensing of those who carry those guns. For the fact of life is that there are over 160 million guns in this country—more firearms than families. If guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal, out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country. The voices that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. They were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby, that has prevailed for the moment in an election year.
The Leftists have to have a Gun Registry — it’s the only way to find all the Guns.
It was the overreach of the Left that exposed their ultimate plans and brought about the changes in NRA Leadership and Lobby issues.
Unfortunately, the Left is obsessed with Law abiding Citizens owning and carrying firearms. Those same Leftists refuse to prosecute Criminals with crimes involving firearms. There is a major disconnect there and a total lack of trust of the .leftist’s intentions.
The Cincinnati Coup occurred in 1977 — AFTER the 1968 Gun Control Law that LBJ signed.
This was the Statement of President Johnson when he signed the Law. It pretty laid out that they did not get what they wanted “due to the powerful gun lobby” and would continue the fight.
In his remarks upon signing the act in October 1968, Johnson said:
Congress adopted most of our recommendations. But this bill—as big as this bill is—still falls short, because we just could not get the Congress to carry out the requests we made of them. I asked for the national registration of all guns and the licensing of those who carry those guns. For the fact of life is that there are over 160 million guns in this country—more firearms than families. If guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal, out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country. The voices that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. They were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby, that has prevailed for the moment in an election year.
The Leftists have to have a Gun Registry — it’s the only way to find all the Guns.
It was the overreach of the Left that exposed their ultimate plans and brought about the changes in NRA Leadership and Lobby issues.
Unfortunately, the Left is obsessed with Law abiding Citizens owning and carrying firearms. Those same Leftists refuse to prosecute Criminals with crimes involving firearms. There is a major disconnect there and a total lack of trust of the .leftist’s intentions.
well you put an end to that claim quite handily
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