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Old 06-24-2022, 10:24 PM
 
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Since when do liberals care how our tax dollars are spent? They certainly don’t care about all the tax payer money spent to take in millions of illegals in the last 18 months. If they are suddenly concerned about where the money will come from to support unwanted pregnancies and births, maybe they can crack down on illegal immigration and put that money towards our own children born here in the U.S.

If we can give $40+ billion to Ukraine, we can help our own citizens.

 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:24 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Nothing will change.. Families will continue to struggle. Young single mothers will slip down the socio-economic ladder. It will just happen to a larger degree.
Great. A female underclass. Maybe we should build some ghettos to house them in.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:26 PM
 
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Societies are good at adapting, when they acknowledge that killing babies, is wrong.

A lot of what you espouse comes close to the 'Malthusian theory', which in it's simplified form = More people more problems.

When in actuality and according to history, More people = More innovation to keep up with the growing population.
I don't think more people means more problems. The problems (like poverty) are already there. But it is simple fact that raising children costs money, I think an average of a quarter million per child not including college (since for most students college comes at/after the age of majority).
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:27 PM
 
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Since when do liberals care how our tax dollars are spent? They certainly don’t care about all the tax payer money spent to take in millions of illegals in the last 18 months. If they are suddenly concerned about where the money will come from to support unwanted pregnancies and births, maybe they can crack down on illegal immigration and put that money towards our own children born here in the U.S.

If we can give $40+ billion to Ukraine, we can help our own citizens.
I hope we can. I hope these states are literally willing to put their money where their mouth is and not just let these kids suffer and grow up in awful conditions.

But you can't really compare it to Ukraine. That's federal money. And having taken this to the state level, states can't expect handouts from the fed.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:31 PM
 
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This is why teens should be encouraged to not have sex. Expecting a teenager to faithfully use birth control is silly. Also, teen pregnancy has been dropping for the last couple of decades. It’s about 17 out of 1000, so it’s not the big gloom and doom you are trying to paint. For that small minority of teenage girls it is a big deal, but there are places besides family they can go to for help. And yes, the father should be held accountable. If society started making men be accountable, maybe they would keep it in their pants.

Last but not least, there will be plenty of states where abortion will be legal. They can travel to one of those states if they want. Quit acting like the sky is falling.
Teens have sex. Period. Encouraging them not to have sex is like encouraging the sun not to rise.

It's pretty hard to travel to another state for an abortion when you do not have any money, and the state has intimidated the non-profits that help women with abortion care are intimidated into shutting down by state officials. Briscoe Cain, a Texas Republican legislator, has sent cease and desist letters to multiple non-profits that help women, and has said he will do everything in his power to prosecute them if they provide funding. Given how unclear Texas law is on the topic, he may be very effective.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:34 PM
 
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Hey the original post does ask some good questions, especially #1, who will pay for the upbringing of the child?


I could give some RINO response, family should, church should, non profit organizations should, etc


But honestly that is not the most important part of all this, babies may be saved from murder. Real conservatives are concerned with morality more than GDP, taxes etc. Right is right. Doing the right thing is number 1. Yes we may have to start asking real questions like the original posters made. But again right is right.
Thank you very much for taking a serious look at my questions. :heart:
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:39 PM
 
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Since when do liberals care how our tax dollars are spent? They certainly don’t care about all the tax payer money spent to take in millions of illegals in the last 18 months. If they are suddenly concerned about where the money will come from to support unwanted pregnancies and births, maybe they can crack down on illegal immigration and put that money towards our own children born here in the U.S.

If we can give $40+ billion to Ukraine, we can help our own citizens.
Tell me another funny one. The Right refuses to help the poor, calling them lazy freeloaders. The Right could not care less how much children of the poor suffer. They prefer not to think about it. Once a baby is born, they figuratively take that baby by the ankles and smash it's head into a concrete pillar. They are for forced birth, but want nothing to do with a baby that's been born.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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It's better than them being dead
Is it really? If they are starving? Is that better than dead?
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:48 PM
 
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For starters, with a lot more personal responsibility and better choices. That would go a long way.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 10:49 PM
 
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For starters, with a lot more personal responsibility and better choices. That would go a long way.
It would but it wasn't realistic in the past with back alley abortions or shotgun weddings and it isn't realistic now. States need to be prepare for many more citizens at or below the poverty level.
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