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Before the EPA water used to actually catch on fire due to pollution.
Yes that is true. It happens when companies dump large amounts of flammable liquids in the water supply. Thankfully we have regulations against dumping now.
Fine, but if a state makes a mess because they decided "the people" knew better than the EPA, they should not be able to federalize the costs to fix it. No federal tax money to states that messed up their own environment. That's 100% on the taxpayers of that state.
The assumption here is that there actually is a "mess." With most of my EPA experience, the "Mess is highly subjective and likely does not really exist.
Once an unelected bureaucracy is created, the primary goal is grow and obtain more power. Unchecked bureaucracies are much like cancer.
You must be relatively young. I do remember visible air pollution, companies dumping toxic waste in the water supply, and a host of other unhealthy practices. Thank you very much but I do not want to go back to pre-EPA days.
Do you remember the pics from Beijing when the Olympics were there? You could see the pollution in the air and the athletes were complaining about breathing issues. Obviously our EPA is better than China's.
Be careful what you wish for.
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The EPA will still exist as it should, but not have unrestricted power now as it NEVER should have.
The liberals here prefer totalitarianism.
We must continuously fight them off, so this nation can be free.
Just because the EPA may have been good overall at helping reduce pollution, doesn't mean that it should have unrestricted power, enforced at the whims of the current administration.
But I would rather have a well paid expert telling coal plants they can’t have mercury emissions for example, because congress won’t do it. Pretending they will do it is naive and moronic.
Wow - Please unelected bureaucrat - run our lives.
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They don’t want any rules. They don’t mind pollution if it brings money. Think Wall-E and the large people who couldn’t walk.
No to quote the left... what we want is "common sense" environmentalism. It's obvious you've never been out on a drilling site. Or in a refinery. Or a construction site.
True story whether you believe it or not....
A few years back on a pipeline project the extreme environmentalists got upset during a pipeline project. It seems that these little lizards were crawling down into the open ditch at night. But..... apparently these same little lizards were not able to get out of the ditch. Now why... don't ask me.... so every night the company had to put in "lizard ladders". Yes... that's what the environmentalists called them. (Basically, orange construction fencing cut into strips). And every morning the ladders would come back out of the ditch. Enter a lowering in crew. Pipe being lowered in by side-booms. Then a young, clipboard loving environmentalists starts screaming that 1 (ONE!) lizard ladder has been left in the ditch and it needs out now. So a young father (yes mistakingly) jumped in the ditch to remove the ladder and what happened? The pipe jumped. A quarter-mile long section swung to the side of the ditch. I don't think it takes graphic descriptions of what happened then? Common sense!!!! You know what... that inspector was supposed to be the expert...
The Federal EPA needs to be abolished and decisions about the environment returned to their respective states EPA's. A Federal EPA is redundant and we cannot afford to run it. We are thirty trillion dollars in debt.
Again --- this is not about any specific policy and whether or not I agree with it.
EPA has more regulations than it needs. It most definitely is not an effective organization.
BUT if we state that regulatory agencies cannot regulate, than we have to be prepared to have all regulatory agencies denied.
Why does the FCC get to dictate content but the EPA can't dictate regulations to protect us from noxious gases (again we aren't debating about the effectiveness of all these regulations but the existence of them).
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