SUV drivers should be charged with TREASON!!!! (middle east, gasoline, extremist)

[silverfox]

Part of the future problem with the large vehicles that we are still producing is that all the people that own them and get freaked out .... sell ( give away) there big gas hogs won't help the situation overall. Some other person will just buy it at a "fire sale price" and keep on driving it till the wheels fall off. We will have to slowly work our way thru all this production till it's off the roads.
The manufactures are die hards when it comes to giving up there big profit makers but this time they may have to say UNCLE.

Silverfox

[bchris02]

Originally Posted by boycew02

I haven't got a problem with SUVs per se (if you really want to drive something that handles like an ocean liner I'm not going to try and stop you ), but the mileage they get, or rather don't. I think it's somewhat ironic that there is so much complaining about American gas prices at the moment (which, by the way, are minute in comparison with what we have over here) yet people still choose to drive things with enormous tanks that drink fuel like an alchoholic drinks liquor. I like the idea of hybrid SUVs because it gives people the best of both worlds but unfortunately they're more expensive than regular SUVs so it's unlikely they'll catch on fast. Also, there aren't enough available on the market here in Europe so the majority of big passenger vehicles driving around our roads are still using loads of fuel.

A single guy I work with just bought a Tahoe. He didn't want to get a smaller car because its not as "comfortable". He currently lives 6 miles from work, which wouldn't be bad except the fact he drives to Mississippi (an 8 hour drive) to see his significant other every weekend. Ive tried to convince him to ride his bike to work like I do, but once again, thats not "comfortable" so he wont do it. I think this is the mentality of most Americans.

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by k350

Considering a cargo ship uses 10 tons of fuel an hour, I think anything a person buys that is imported contributes to fuel consumption.
1000% AGREED

SUVs? Give me a break, if everyone stopped driving SUVs that would still be a drop in the bucket as far as fuel consumption is concerned.
A penny saved is a .......
a few more suggestions halfway through post 9

I have an SUV that is paid for which I bought for work reasons, I stopped work but what, I am suppose to trade it in on to make myself have payments? my SUV gets 16/21mpg, not good, not bad but not bad enough to warrant going into debt by getting another car.
agreed, it's more the tanks rolling off the production line which concern me

Yes, you see people going to get groceries in them, what, is it enviromentally better for everyone to have a bunch of cars for different purposes? financially feasable? Sure someone may drive their SUV to the food store, but they also use that SUV for everything they do from vacations, to towing, to whatever....point is the great thing about owning an SUV is the fact it can do many things where a car can basically do one.

You ever see how much fuel something simple as a boiler uses? And you are worried about SUVs?
again refer to post 9

The bottom line of everything is there is a limited number of resources and too many people in the world trying to get it, how about starting first with some population control everywhere instead of having people pump out kids left and right all the time.
applause!!!

agree with some of your points

[k350]

I actually like not having to drive. I lived in London for 2 years and though I had a car, I did not "need" to drive it, 99% of the time I took mass transit. Even with that, due to how the place is built, I never needed to drive or use motorized transportation of any sorts to get things I needed for everyday life like milk, light bulbs, even the post office was right on the high street. London, along with most if not all European cities are pretty well planned out for people to eaither walk, bicycle or use some sort of mass transit to get where they are going.

[dynimagelv]

I am 6'5 1/2 " tall.I weigh 297lbs...I drive a midsized pickup for the fit...... can you picture me trying to shoehorn myself into Something Like a Ford Anglia?????[do they still make those?] I drove one of those when I was 23 and stationed in France....NOW I would need TWO English Fords....one for each foot.

[Katie1]

Well I would love to know where my mobility scooter to fit in those small cars? O how about my 5'8' son service dog & groceries!!!

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by k350

Considering a cargo ship uses 10 tons of fuel an hour, I think anything a person buys that is imported contributes to fuel consumption.

SUVs? Give me a break, if everyone stopped driving SUVs that would still be a drop in the bucket as far as fuel consumption is concerned.

I have an SUV that is paid for which I bought for work reasons, I stopped work but what, I am suppose to trade it in on to make myself have payments? my SUV gets 16/21mpg, not good, not bad but not bad enough to warrant going into debt by getting another car.

Yes, you see people going to get groceries in them, what, is it enviromentally better for everyone to have a bunch of cars for different purposes? financially feasable? Sure someone may drive their SUV to the food store, but they also use that SUV for everything they do from vacations, to towing, to whatever....point is the great thing about owning an SUV is the fact it can do many things where a car can basically do one.

You ever see how much fuel something simple as a boiler uses? And you are worried about SUVs?

The bottom line of everything is there is a limited number of resources and too many people in the world trying to get it, how about starting first with some population control everywhere instead of having people pump out kids left and right all the time.

read a few of your posts. a fellow "when we"? anyway you wanted a few examples of proven cost effective alternatives/energy savers. depends on where you live but there you go

Maine's Solar Challenge Goes Beyond Gov.'s Roof

Solar Water Heating Projects and Plans

ART TEC - Adding Solar Domestic Water heating - blog Home Page

R.C. North Plumbing & Heating Naples Maine - Solar Energy

Here comes the sun

Case study Raymond

Geothermal Connection

Save Energy Maine - Heat Pumps

Solar hot water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[k350]

Fossil fuels are still the cheapest forms of energy out there, prove me wrong on that.

All those things you listed cost money, more money than if someone just used fossil fuels. So in the end, basic economics come into play.

[mommabear2]

Originally Posted by JFRRACING

Come on now!!! finger pointing is not the answer. suv's aren't even 1/2 the problem. like i said before we all contribute to the problem no matter what you drive.

Yeah, that's true. We all contribute to the problem no doubt... some more than others.

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by k350

Fossil fuels are still the cheapest forms of energy out there, prove me wrong on that.

All those things you listed cost money, more money than if someone just used fossil fuels. So in the end, basic economics come into play.

it really depends how you finance them. boilers account for a sizeble portion of a households electric/ gas/ heating oil bills. i haven't priced solar tubes in the US but in england they will deliver 70% of your hot water requirement at a cost of around £3500-£4000 for a 5 bed house. rule of thumb what costs £1 in england costs $1 in the states. call it a 5 grand investment. on a 30 year fixed ie (install when you buy the home) it will probably pay you money. add to that if you live in the sunbelt you'll probably get 99% of your hot water. if you live further north, geothermal heat pumps will cost a little more but provide hot water, home heating and cooling in summer too!
i would also take a wild guess and say that more and more people are going to start driving electric cars. that might give you an idea where electric prices are heading!