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Old 05-25-2008, 07:46 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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My God, how wrong can one person be in his/her understanding? Fascism is a totalitarianism born of the RIGHT WING, fella. Don't let the name of the party fool you. Check it out. Hitler didn't throw the conservatives in his prison camps, but rather the homosexuals, the liberal intellectuals, and the Communists.
Mussolini was originally a socialist,fascisim had its roots in socialism..

As to who the Nazis threw in prison,you better add Catholic Priests to the list as well....



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Old 05-25-2008, 07:47 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sorry, you are tilting at windmills. I just cannot waste my vote. We need change or at least hope of change to stop what is in its tracks. All I know is I don't want McBush. I've been fond of Ron Paul and have wished he would run and become president for three or four years now, but it ain't gonna happen.
And there it is....cannot think beyond the party.
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Old 05-25-2008, 07:49 AM
 
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Fascism, as defined by Mussolini himself:

Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.

Minus a few vernacular tweaks for modern parlance this sounds just like the platform for todays democrat party. Honestly.
Instead of propaganda why not look at the facts? The folowing 14 points by Britt are a description of the Republican administration's effect.

The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Laurence Britt, and appears in Free
Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20.

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.
Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that
human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need". The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived
common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding,
and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by
government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public
opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power,
creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated
entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon
for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the
arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing
to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for
national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or
even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the
media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

[see Fascism Anyone? for complete text of article.]
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:22 AM
 
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What would Mussolini have known about Fascisim anyway,he just founded the movement.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:06 PM
 
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What would Mussolini have known about Fascisim anyway,he just founded the movement.
Yes, and he would want to make it sound as acceptable as possible since it WAS his idea!!!!!!

So it takes an INDEPENDENT source to outline the REAL Fascism.

And it's evident that the present administration has many of these characteristics.

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Old 05-25-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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And there it is....cannot think beyond the party.
Sorry, you are incorrect. I don't want McBush and I don't care what you want to call him. Too, I am a democrat who would have voted for a REPUBLICAN except Ron Paul doesn't have a chance. The ONE thing this country cannot afford is four more years of the same.

And, as an interesting sidenote, McBush has been chased out of his own city for a fundraiser - yup, Phoenix. He now has to go to some undisclosed location in Mesa to do it.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:20 PM
 
Location: southern california
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the greatest danger to america from totalitarian takeover is our me 1st ism.
lack of unity makes bad guys very strong. divide and conquer not even necessary, already nicely divided, the pie is ready to eat.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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Well as to what can we do before it happens,stop voting in the same type of people(statists) no matter what the party would help...

But too many are caught up in the 'R' and 'D' thing to think outside the box.
Do you honestly think a third party has a prayer in hell of getting into office? Look at Ron Paul, a republican who tells the truth. If he couldn't get it I don't know who else would and he really would have changed things. Some of the changes I would not have liked but the overall good of the country is what comes first and he would have taken us in that direction.

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As to plans,one plan is to simply drop out of society,it isn't for everyone as so many modern day people cannot exist without their every whim being fulfilled but it is possible.
How does one do this? I still have to pay my property taxes and they know where to find me. I knew a guy who did this - did the barter exchange for everything and his life was very limited - couldn't open up a bank account, etc as the IRS was on him.

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And of course you can emigrate,thousands do it every year,it simply requires research and a will and a skill.

What most want is the same lifestyle as here but in another country,good luck on that.
It's not that easy to do. If a person has enough money you can do it or if a person has a highly demanded skill it can be done too. Too, at a certain age it really isn't an option anymore. It's hard enough finding a job in this country once you hit a certain age.
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Old 05-25-2008, 07:58 PM
 
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Yes, and he would want to make it sound as acceptable as possible since it WAS his idea!!!!!!

So it takes an INDEPENDENT source to outline the REAL Fascism.

And it's evident that the present administration has many of these characteristics.
LOL...of course.
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Old 05-25-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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Yes, and he would want to make it sound as acceptable as possible since it WAS his idea!!!!!!

So it takes an INDEPENDENT source to outline the REAL Fascism.

And it's evident that the present administration has many of these characteristics.
History is one of my most favorite subjects. My house is littered with books on history and other topics; I have three bios on Mussolini, and read two others from a library. It was always curious how a simple peasant with socialist leanings could end up being dictator of an entire country without previously holding any positions in government. I've read a lot of stuff about Mussolini and one of the things R.J.B. Bosworth who wrote the 2002 bio entitled "Mussolini" said was, he basically always coordinated his political actions against the socialists. Mussolini had unexpectedly broken with the socialists over the question of Italy intervening in WW1. When they disagreed with his idea of intervention they kicked him out violently. They harrassed him and called him a traitor. Even though Mussolini was a sadistic bully who actually liked the antagonistic attention, he was always resented the socialists in some way. He was antagonistic towards them from day one of starting fascism, which is why he tried his hardest to get rid of them.

But the funny thing is he didn't seem to fully reject socialism itself. Notice I said Mussolini hated the socialists, not he hated socialism. If you'll look at fascism it has many ideals of socialism, such as the concept of corporatism, where government and corporations work together for the good of the state. It has been speculated by many biographers that Mussolini himself didn't really know what fascism was about, he had incorporated socialism, nationalism, and capitalism into one being and used it as a political platform to agitate against the socialists. He didn't care about fascism itself as much as he cared about staying in power and keeping socialists out of power.
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