Mar a lago raided by the fbi (illegal, attorney, conspiracy)
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Presidents leaving office are allowed to take declassified documents with them for their future presidential library. The FBI inspects those documents before they go out the door and again once set somewhere in storage. The FBI looked over those documents earlier at Mar A Lago and told Trump on their way out that the door to that should have a second lock.
The declassified documents still have to be given to nara when the president leaves office. Afterwards, they can be transferred to the future library. Obama's declassified documents are currently being held by nara in a federal facility near Chicago.
From a legal standpoint, if it's not written down it doesn't exist. If it's written down but not signed, it's a rumor
It is actually not at all unusual for disputes regarding presidential/senatorial/ General Officer papers to be amicably resolved.
Of course, Trump doesn’t mind rallying his supporters prior to the elections which explains his reaction following the unprecedented ‘banana republic’ style raid.
Hard to believe DOJ/Biden didn’t see this obvious PR defeat coming although I’m not sure Biden is aware of much at this point and DOJ is in its own echo chamber.
I'd much rather the DOJ follow the facts and the law than worry about PR defeats. That's how they have gotten into trouble in the past and it is not their job to react to or worry about public opinion.
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That wasn't me.
But the evidence of Russia alarmingly interfering in the election then the resultant knowledge that these efforts were done on his behalf was already well known before the election so perhaps that is why.
It makes sense really. What better way to get back at the USA than to make sure our president is an incompetent and morally bankrupt boob? It's perfect!
I didn't like Trump because he was already two notches below a decent human being before he wanted to run. I didn't think he was qualified, but I didn't think he should be impeached until he was shown to have obstructed justice.
You have to understand that just because someone takes a position, or advocates for something, that doesn't mean the entire political party or group is on board with that. It is usually just a small number of people.
That would be like observing Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones saying some crazy stuff and assuming the whole Republican Party thinks the same way. That is almost never the case and is extremely unlikely.
But the 'narrative' was always the 'Dems' were out to get him. That wasn't the case. He does stuff and then gets found out.
When Trump was finally investigated for the first time, it was by Republicans, because they were doing their jobs. It was Trump's own DOJ which named him 'Individual One' in the campaign finance fraud investigation. I am sure that if they could have ignored the offenses, they would prefer to have, but in that case it could not because they had to do their job.
Then you people blamed it on the 'Dems'. The blame falls squarely on Trump.
The man has always been a cheat and a thief and an abuser. He gets into trouble because that's how he is. He has only himself to blame.
So you don't like it. So what? If you are angry that Trump gets himself into trouble blame Trump. He is the only one who could possibly have prevented it.
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A follow-on to my previous post...
As to the question of who can officially declassify restricted data (RD) pertaining to the nuclear program, it appears to be only persons authorized by the Department of Energy (DOE).
From the link that's been posted a few times in this thread:
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The Energy Reorganization Act of 197478 divided the AEC into the Energy Research and Development Administration (ERDA) and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. ERDA became operational on January 19, 1975.79 One major purpose of the split was to separate the regulation of commercial uses of atomic energy from the government’s programs that promoted such uses. ERDA was assigned authority for the control and declassification of atomic-energy information. ERDA was abolished by the Department of Energy Organization Act of August 4, 1977,80 and its activities were assigned to the Department of Energy (DOE). Statutory authority to declassify RD and FRD was assigned to the Secretary of Energy. That authority was subsequently delegated to the Director of Security Affairs.
The Director of Security Affairs is an aide to the president and answers to the president.
Among other things, it appears that if the agency/department head and the Director of Security Affairs disagree on if something should be classified/declassified then they go to the president to get a final say. Why would they go to the president if, as the left claims, the president has no say?
Now, the above doesn't necessarily clarify beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump had the authority to declassify RD documents, but it does set forth a long list of requirements for being granted that authority by the DOE. The question is: did the President meet them?
Even with what I'd posted that seem to make it a bit clearer that the president may have the power to declassify, but it still doesn't clarify things beyond a shadow of a doubt. To do that one would have to read and understand every single thing about it, not only in the links that I posted in here but every single document regarding the matter. I doubt anyone here has that much time to play catch up on it. Besides that, we don't even know if him having "nuclear weapon" classified documents is true. It could be nothing more than a red herring pushed out by "unknown sources".
The declassified documents still have to be given to nara when the president leaves office. Afterwards, they can be transferred to the future library. Obama's declassified documents are currently being held by nara in a federal facility near Chicago.
From a legal standpoint, if it's not written down it doesn't exist. If it's written down but not signed, it's a rumor
It also contains information about types of items considered as "personal records" that a former president is allowed to take with him.
So photos of him curtseying to the Saudis or kissing Kim's back end would be fine, but taking top secret lists of US intelligence operatives and nuclear secrets would not be? It is all so confusing. Poor Trump. No one could sort this out.
Considering some of the decisions made by Merrick Garland (think investigating parents at school boards, etc.), no, I don't give him the benefit of the doubt of "thinking this through."
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He is the worst and even the looney left can’t justify that particular move against the parents.
In the interest of clearing this particular smear up, here are the facts:
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And if PRESIDENT BIDEN believes the documents are a national security risk , should be remain classified as such and wants them returned to a government facility ?
By your logic trump would have to return the documents post haste and if he refused he would face criminal charges
"IF"?
Did he do that though? It does not appear that he had. It seems he'd quickly run away from this whole thing and had taken his family on vacation.
So photos of him curtseying to the Saudis or kissing Kim's back end would be fine, but taking top secret lists of US intelligence operatives and nuclear secrets would not be? It is all so confusing. Poor Trump. No one could sort this out.
Waiting for the retroactive bit. "He could have decided to declassify, and you have no way to prove that he didn't, so he can do whatever he wants with every document he holds."
It's Nixon 101 - "if the president does it, it's legal" - only applied to ex-presidents.
Hey, he could have decided to preemptively issue a blanket pardon for himself, right? Nothing in the constitution says there's a boring old process to follow.
legally he can only do it when president
And it has to be filed at that time
So he didn’t do it
Just like he didn’t declassify these documents
He NEEDED them to be classified—otherwise they were worthless for his purpose of selling for money
Everything Trump has done has been transactional—meaning he gets something of value from what he did—
His “charitable” contributions where really were not
All of his business interests which tried to take advantage of dubious double-valued transactions—
One for taxes in his favor, one for loans also in his favor—both likely fraudulent/illegal
Even buying his ex-wife had a transactional value for his golf course—trying to turn it into a “cemetery” so he could stop paying taxes on it as a business entity
He had NO legal right to have those documents at his home or ANYPLACE….
NO. LEGAL. RIGHT. PERIOD.
And his attorney who signed off on the first document after the initial 15 or so boxes were retrieved earlier has her ass in boiling water—
She was either played for a fool by Trump (no surprise there) or was party to lying to the court—
That is such a serious affront—she is going to be disbarred when all is said and done
PLUS by signing it and being proven a liar she became party to conspiracy because she helped Trump conceal his ongoing theft of classified/secret documents…
The double standards of judging what is legal/illegal has become so obviously part of the GOP mindset that it is just embarrassing….and dangerous
Now you have Trump supporters in AZ threatening an FBI office
You have Trump releasing specific names of FBI agents at the MarALago search who are being harassed
That shows absolutely no respect for the processes of the legal system
It is gone to just bullies shoving around those they are told are threatening Trump—their god…
Attorney-Client Privilege does not apply to any relationship where the attorney is assisting the client in ongoing criminal activity.
I realize you would like to see me disappear and make your life trying to sell excuses for the criminal activity by your savior easier. Ain't happening. Get used to being confronted with facts.
You would do "butter" if you learned to spell "better," IMHO. Maybe even a fifty cent raise.
Isn’t that why poor Michael Cohen was tried and convicted?
And Trump was the unnamed Confederate #1 in Cohen’s documents?
Isn’t that legal charge still worthy of being pursued???
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