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Old 08-12-2022, 07:29 AM
 
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And Republican party has not the same intentions? I see efforts to "fix" elections from both sides; only one tried to do it through force even after exhausting all legal avenues. When one only sees the faults of the "other side" while ignoring the same corruption/intention on their own party; you are the one that is blind.
Who tried to do it through "force?"

You're saying protests that were 1/1000th as violent as the BLM riots that were praised are "force?"

Huh?

Did Trump order his military to commandeer the White House in 1/20/21? I don't think so.
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Old 08-12-2022, 09:02 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Who tried to do it through "force?"

You're saying protests that were 1/1000th as violent as the BLM riots that were praised are "force?"

Huh?

Did Trump order his military to commandeer the White House in 1/20/21? I don't think so.
We are talking about election manipulation... BLM riots would have no bearing on the elections... you are deflecting.
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Old 08-12-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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We are talking about election manipulation... BLM riots would have no bearing on the elections... you are deflecting.
What election manipulation are you referring to?
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Old 08-12-2022, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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As much as I don't support any political party ( including the Democrats ) comparing contemporary mainstream political organizations to the Nazis or Fascists is quite mistaken IMO .

For starters only German National Socialists of the Hitlerian ( as opposed to f.ex Strasserist ) variety can be regarded as being Nazis as such , while only Italian Fascists can truly be regarded as being Fascist , and since both ideologies/movements are practically extinct all we are left with nowadays in terms of " Neo-Nazis/Neo Fascists " ( particularly in the USA ) are a bunch of fringe actors that typically don't even understand the ideologies they claim to be representing and have as much chance of gaining power as anyone does of becoming the emperor of Mars .

That's not to even mention the fact that the political context as well as the political issues/problems of the present day United States are markedly different from that of early 20th century Germany and Italy , in fact the political landscape of the United States of the same time period was also markedly different to just about any of its European counterparts , but I digress .


All this is not to claim that the Democratic party doesn't have prominent statist tendencies , because it most certainly does , however comparing present day American political parties in terms of their purported similarity to bygone Continental European political movements is still rather misguided IMHO .
modern American liberals are the progressives..the socialist, fascist, Marxists

today's liberals (politicians, not individual people) are the same as the progressives of the 1880's or the fascists of the 1930's..ie todays liberals

the 'freetrade ' agreements are liberal..maybe neo-liberal if you want, but certainly progressive (globalist) and socialist (or the more REGULATING fascist) (the difference between socialism is one has state(government) ownership, while the other has corporate ownership super-regulated by the government

In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, "Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism."

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.


hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........

simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG....THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS
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Old 08-12-2022, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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OK.

Sounds like the next thing that needs to happen to prove the Democrats are 1930s Nazis is that they need to burn down the capitol building and blame it on.... ?????

"the communists".

Not sure if ignorant or trolling. Are you talking about the War of 1812? the burning of buildings by domestic terrorists was in liberal cities in the PNW in the summer of 2020.
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Old 08-12-2022, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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modern American liberals are the progressives..the socialist, fascist, Marxists

today's liberals (politicians, not individual people) are the same as the progressives of the 1880's or the fascists of the 1930's..ie todays liberals

the 'freetrade ' agreements are liberal..maybe neo-liberal if you want, but certainly progressive (globalist) and socialist (or the more REGULATING fascist) (the difference between socialism is one has state(government) ownership, while the other has corporate ownership super-regulated by the government

In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, "Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism."

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.


hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........

simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG....THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS

While economically speaking one can find certain similarities between the stances taken by the Nazis/Fascists and today's liberals/progressives , there is one very noteworthy difference , which is that the Nazis/Fascists were strident European ethnic nationalists of the most imperialistic/chauvinistic sort , a stance which can't be taken by any political force in the USA for quite obvious reasons .

Now of course one can argue that the type of " wokeness " that veers on out and out anti white racism is Nazi or Fascist like , a subject that's probably far beyond the scope of this thread to discuss , but in my humble view it's still a mistake to directly compare the politics of the contemporary USA to that of early 20th century Europe , since even back then drawing that sort of comparison was a good bit misguided .

I must reiterate though that I perfectly understand and even sympathize with the frustration that leads many right wing Americans to refer to the Democratic Party/the American Left in general as Nazi or Fascist like , it's just that the egghead conservative in me has the tendency to object on the basis of it being totally unnecessary to use such terms to point out that said party/political side is indeed advancing a quite poisonous political agenda .
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