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Old 05-26-2008, 08:41 AM
 
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If you want to improve teacher accountability, and remove tenure, increase parental accountability. No one is accepting blame for a problem to which all have contributed.

Again you want to reshuffle unsuccessful kids to successful schools like its a magic wand. Overload good schools to the breaking point. What happens when successful schools are full? Where is your solution then?

Expand the good schools, give teachers raises let the bad schools die
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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Expand the good schools, give teachers raises let the bad schools die
Where do you get the teachers for the expansion of these good schools? Last I checked there aren't a lot of extra teachers to go around. Give good teachers raises? Yeah right, don't make me laugh.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Expand the good schools, give teachers raises let the bad schools die
The Public School system is a mess in many parts of this country. To be sure - there are some excellent public schools as well. We should take a serious and hard look at what those excellent schools are doing and see if emulating them will work in specific geographic areas / states.

The "fixes" will not occur overnight - they will occur over many years

Getting rid of ineffective administrators, poorly performing teachers, bad school boards is a start.

Getting parents involved is certainly an issue - there is no one easy solution to solve this problem IMO - yet, many parents ARE involved - tapping their insights - their strengths may be of some assistance.

I agree that those schools that are not performing well need to be closed. Don't throw good money after bad schools. SHUT THEM DOWN.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Where do you get the teachers for the expansion of these good schools?
One of the first things you do is let the teachers know that they are there to teach - not be glorified babysitters.

Then - go into the community for teachers of specific subjects. For example, in Arizona this next school year, those who are in the Math and Science fields - not teachers - PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS, will be allowed to teach Math and Science. They will go through a basic 30 hour classroom course - but, why do they have to have a 4 year degree in teaching? They know the subject.

The "teachers" are there.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Thats the point that most liberals fail to understand. In order for vouchers to work the best that they can, they have to be available for both private, and public schools. Allow parents the choice to send their kids to whatever school they want.
In all the states that I know of that are using vouchers you can use them for private schools. I think you're confused.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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Yet one more thread of "right vs left", asserted in vast sweeping generalizations, gross inaccuracy, supported by the same level of confirmation bias that made Jim juice so popular in Guyana.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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Plenty of teachers here in Michigan. Anyway I think you would re-indoctrinate the teachers who lost jobs in the bad schools to the succesful ways of the good schools.

Without the protection of a union and under the threat of being fired of course




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Where do you get the teachers for the expansion of these good schools? Last I checked there aren't a lot of extra teachers to go around. Give good teachers raises? Yeah right, don't make me laugh.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:26 AM
 
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Well I can state from 1st hand experience that almost all colleges and universities force at least one sociology class on students in order to earn a degree. Often times many courses in "arts and humanities" are necessary. The discipline of sociology is almost a word for word playbook of the modern democrat platform;
1.)blame whitey,
2.)make no moral judgments about anyone or anything, ever,
3.)blame whitey,
4.)there is no such thing as one culture being better then another,
5.)criminals are criminals because it's society's fault,
6.)blame whitey,
7.)everyone is equal except whitey,
8.)people can't succeed on their own, society has to change and distribute wealth equally in order for that to occur,
9.)Karl Marx is good,
10.)and, oh, yeah....blame whitey.

All of these things are taught in my sociology book and is what modern day liberalism is all about.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Well I can state from 1st hand experience that almost all colleges and universities force at least one sociology class on students in order to earn a degree. Often times many courses in "arts and humanities" are necessary. The discipline of sociology is almost a word for word playbook of the modern democrat platform;
1.)blame whitey,
2.)make no moral judgments about anyone or anything, ever,
3.)blame whitey,
4.)there is no such thing as one culture being better then another,
5.)criminals are criminals because it's society's fault,
6.)blame whitey,
7.)everyone is equal except whitey,
8.)people can't succeed on their own, society has to change and distribute wealth equally in order for that to occur,
9.)Karl Marx is good,
10.)and, oh, yeah....blame whitey.

All of these things are taught in my sociology book and is what modern day liberalism is all about.
Ever been on a college campus?
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Well I can state from 1st hand experience that almost all colleges and universities force at least one sociology class on students in order to earn a degree. Often times many courses in "arts and humanities" are necessary. The discipline of sociology is almost a word for word playbook of the modern democrat platform;
1.)blame whitey,
2.)make no moral judgments about anyone or anything, ever,
3.)blame whitey,
4.)there is no such thing as one culture being better then another,
5.)criminals are criminals because it's society's fault,
6.)blame whitey,
7.)everyone is equal except whitey,
8.)people can't succeed on their own, society has to change and distribute wealth equally in order for that to occur,
9.)Karl Marx is good,
10.)and, oh, yeah....blame whitey.

All of these things are taught in my sociology book and is what modern day liberalism is all about.
Sounds like you were a pretty horrible anthropology/sociology student if that's what you got out of it. I wouldn't go around boasting about your poor reading comprehension on forums if I were you.
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